Transcript 24/05/12 – Failure as a Learning Tool: 0/10

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ZaraLynnKing RT @chat2lrn: Welcome to #chat2lrn! Today’s discussion is about   “Failure as a Learning Tool: 0/10” http://t.co/k9q7ufBl 15:00:23
chat2lrn Include Q# in related responses, so that others can follow your trail   of thought. #chat2lrn 15:01:03
chat2lrn Q0) Please introduce yourself who are you, where are you, what do you   do & what brings you here? #chat2lrn 15:01:05
megbertapelle RT @chat2lrn: Welcome to #chat2lrn! Today’s discussion is about   “Failure as a Learning Tool: 0/10” http://t.co/2eCk1cok 15:01:08
LnDDave I’m jumping into #Chat2Lrn, discussing “Failure as a Learning   Tool”. Join Us. 15:01:08
olliegardener Hi everyone.. Entrepreneur based in sunny Cardiff (2day anyway).   REALLY excited abt topic. We should all fail a whole lot more! #chat2lrn 15:01:11
LnDDave RT @chat2lrn: Q0) Please introduce yourself who are you, where are   you, what do you do & what brings you here? #chat2lrn 15:01:36
elearningguy Conference call running long, so no #chat2lrn for me today. Topic is   definitely of interest, though. 15:01:49
KevinDJones RT @pattishank: RT chat2lrn Welcome to #chat2lrn! Today’s discussion   is about “Failure as a Learning Tool: 0/10”   http://t.co/OkYS8icD  #chat2lrn 15:01:57
tomspiglanin Hi @pattishank @megbertapelle @olliegardener @ExpertusONE @LnDDave et.   al., I’m looking forward to  #chat2lrn 15:02:03
tomspiglanin RT @chat2lrn: Q0) Please introduce yourself who are you, where are   you, what do you do & what brings you here? #chat2lrn 15:02:15
megbertapelle RT @chat2lrn: Q0) Please introduce yourself who are you, where are   you, what do you do & what brings you here? #chat2lrn 15:02:18
FionaQuigs Fiona, ID from Belfast, very talented at failing #chat2lrn 15:02:22
JD_Dillon Q0) JD, Orlando FL, L&D w/ Kaplan Higher Ed, always enjoy the   chance to share and borrow ideas from peers!    #chat2lrn 15:02:24
olliegardener Apologies to followers outside the #chat2lrn circle – a storm of   tweets coming up. Do join in – or excuse the mess 😉 #chat2lrn 15:02:29
pattishank Q0) Patti Shank Learning Analyst Denver, CO, USA Want to learn from   others #chat2lrn 15:02:33
ZaraLynnKing RT @olliegardener: Apologies to followers outside the #chat2lrn circle   – a storm of tweets coming up. Do join in – or excuse the mess 😉 #chat2lrn 15:02:41
pattishank @tomspiglanin Always so glad to see you here and to get your insights!   #chat2lrn 15:02:54
Nnetta Very inspiring story: Teacher creates Class realm (#virtualclassroom )   for his students http://t.co/IyWdRU3B #edu #chat2lrn 15:03:11
megbertapelle Q0) Meg Bertapelle, Instructional Designer at Intuitive Surgical in   Sunnyvale, CA 🙂 looking for tips to lrn from failure! #chat2lrn 15:03:19
tomspiglanin Q0) Tom from L.A., L&D guy, recovering rocket scientist. Learn   from failure, good to acknowledge it informal learning experience #chat2lrn 15:03:34
StephanieDedhar I totally forgot about this but happened to glance @ Twitter at right   moment. Haven’t done preread but will contribute what I can! #chat2lrn 15:03:58
chat2lrn Q1) Should we ban the word failure? #chat2lrn 15:04:02
CatMoore Q0) Cathy Moore, foe of boring elearning, failing daily in Merida,   Mexico (sorry for the chat tweets, everyone) #chat2lrn 15:04:02
tomspiglanin Quote for today: “Experience is a hard teacher because she gives   the test first, the lesson afterwards.” ~Vernon Sanders Law #chat2lrn 15:04:09
KevinDJones Social/Org Consultant to NASA & other orgs – I Keynote on failure   and want to hear others’ thoughts. + writing a book on #Failure #chat2lrn 15:04:33
megbertapelle MT @olliegardener: Apologies to followers outside the #chat2lrn circle   – a storm of tweets coming up. Do join in! #chat2lrn 15:04:33
tomspiglanin RT @chat2lrn: Q1) Should we ban the word failure? #chat2lrn 15:04:36
megbertapelle RT @chat2lrn: Q1) Should we ban the word failure? #chat2lrn 15:04:46
pattishank @JD_Dillon, @Nnetta, @ZaraLynneKing, @KevinDJones Glad you are here!   #chat2lrn 15:04:53
StephanieDedhar Q0) Stephanie, learning & performance consultant, in sunny   Sunbury. Just did a strengths survey & was told I’m a lifelong learner!   #chat2lrn 15:05:00
olliegardener RT @chat2lrn: Q1) Should we ban the word failure? #chat2lrn 15:05:08
ZaraLynnKing #chat2lrn Q1 Never! 15:05:15
bsoist greetings, I’m a programmer, educator, and trouble maker from   Hockessin, DE #chat2lrn 15:05:16
megbertapelle Q1) hmmm, no… but even if we did, ppl would still think it #chat2lrn 15:05:36
pattishank @CatMoore Really excited to hear your insights. #chat2lrn 15:05:37
JudithELS Please excuse all the tweets in the next hour. I’m joining a chat on   Failure in Learning. Pls join us too #chat2lrn 15:05:37
JD_Dillon Q1) No. We should ban sugar-coated versions of the word! Just tell it   as it is and people will benefit.    #chat2lrn 15:05:40
KevinDJones #failure is not a dirty word.    There are good kinds of failure and bad. Embrace the good, toss out   the bad. #chat2lrn 15:06:01
JudithELS RT @chat2lrn: Q1) Should we ban the word failure? #chat2lrn 15:06:09
FionaQuigs RT @KevinDJones: #failure is not a dirty word.  There are good kinds of failure and bad.   Embrace the good, toss out the bad. #chat2lrn 15:06:15
ExpertusONE Hi to the #chat2lrn crew! Here to discuss #failure as a #learning   opportunity… #chat2lrn 15:06:26
CatMoore @pattishank Thanks, I’m glad I can finally be here, and I’m looking   forward to hearing everyone’s ideas. #chat2lrn 15:06:26
tomspiglanin Q1) Banishing the word failure isn’t wise, but accepting it too early   is more foolish. #chat2lrn 15:06:30
pattishank Q1 Of course not. It’s reality and important part of learning. Maybe   the key to learning. #chat2lrn 15:06:33
JD_Dillon Q1) People think in straight-forward terms. We should create honest,   transparent org cultures that do the same.    #chat2lrn 15:06:38
olliegardener q1) only if “failure” means “give up and shove it under   the carpet”  #chat2lrn 15:06:41
LnDDave RT @chat2lrn: Q1) Should we ban the word failure? #chat2lrn 15:06:52
pattishank @tomspiglanin Explain more please. #chat2lrn 15:07:01
ZaraLynnKing #chat2lrn i can’t learn if I don’t fail. Gen y’ers like myself use   failure as a measure of success 15:07:02
Dave_Ferguson Don’t ban “failure,” but resist the urge to use #fail all   the blooming time. #chat2lrn 15:07:02
ExpertusONE RT @olliegardener: RT @chat2lrn: Q1) Should we ban the word failure?   #chat2lrn 15:07:04
megbertapelle MT @JD_Dillon: Q1) No. We should ban sugar-coated versions of the   word! … <yeah, I’m not a fan of coming up w/new “nicer” word   #chat2lrn 15:07:08
StephanieDedhar Q1) The word itself is less important than how it’s delivered, how   it’s perceived in the org, and what’s done as a result of it. #chat2lrn 15:07:13
kellygarber Q1 The word – no. the negative connotation – yes. #chat2lrn 15:07:18
dropthepencil Failure = critical.  Because   it’s learning what WORKS: “I have not failed. I’ve just found 10,000 ways   that won’t work”Edison #chat2lrn 15:07:20
CatMoore The word “failure” becomes problematic when a person who   fails at something decides they are a failure. Not the word’s fault.   #chat2lrn 15:07:23
JudithELS Q1) As none of us is perfect we all fail, so no we should recognise it   & embrace it for what it is #chat2lrn 15:07:34
olliegardener RT @StephanieDedhar: Q1) The word itself is less important than how   its delivered & perceived & whats done as a result of it. #chat2lrn 15:07:57
bsoist @kellygarber exactly! #chat2lrn 15:07:58
ZaraLynnKing RT @chat2lrn: Q1) Should we ban the word failure? #chat2lrn 15:07:58
megbertapelle RT @StephanieDedhar: Q1) word itself is less important than how its   delivered, how its perceived in org, &whats done as result. #chat2lrn 15:08:08
pattishank RT @ZaraLynnKing  i can’t learn   if I don’t fail. Gen y’ers like myself use failure as a measure of   success  #chat2lrn 15:08:13
LnDDave Q1) I’ll go against the grain and say “Yes” we should avoid   the word failure. We look at it as part of learning, most don’t. #chat2lrn 15:08:19
dropthepencil RT @StephanieDedhar “what’s done as a result of it.” Yes.   #chat2lrn 15:08:31
kellygarber Q1 – if we banned the word failure, my summary reports would lose half   their word count 🙂 #chat2lrn 15:08:42
ZaraLynnKing #chat2lrn i think it is a difference between failure as a neg and pos.   old thinking to fail is to be bad 15:08:55
pattishank RT @CatMoore The word “failure” becomes problematic when a   person who fails at something decides they are a failure.  #chat2lrn 15:08:56
KevinDJones That’s like saying that we should toss all eggs because one was   rotten. There are different types of #failure. #chat2lrn 15:08:57
LnDDave Q1) We need to find ways to explain the learning opportunity of   failure without using the word ‘Failure’ #Chat2lrn 15:09:08
ExpertusONE +1 Knowing when to claim it is key RT @tomspiglanin A1) Banishing word   #failure isnt wise but accepting too early is more foolish #chat2lrn 15:09:13
JD_Dillon Q1) People need to feel safe when making mistakes for sake of   learning. Using safe words makes them feel worse when they do fail. #chat2lrn 15:09:20
olliegardener RT @JudithELS: Q1) As none of us is perfect we all fail, so we should   recognise it & embrace it for what it is #chat2lrn 15:09:20
chat2lrn Q2) What is the difference between a mistake and a failure? #chat2lrn 15:09:33
JudithELS Hee, hee RT @kellygarber: Q1 – if we banned the word failure, my   summary reports would lose half their word count 🙂 #chat2lrn 15:09:34
kellygarber RT @KevinDJones: Thats like saying that we should toss all eggs   because one was rotten. There are different types of #failure. #chat2lrn 15:09:47
LnDDave RT @chat2lrn: Q2) What is the difference between a mistake and a   failure? #chat2lrn 15:09:48
tomspiglanin @pattishank Often “failure” isn’t. Reevaluate approach &   expectations, find workarounds – what I meant by don’t give up too early   #chat2lrn 15:09:50
dropthepencil RT @CatMoore The word “failure” becomes problematic when a   person who fails at something decides they are a failure. #chat2lrn 15:09:57
pattishank So change the word because of connotations? #chat2lrn 15:10:09
Dave_Ferguson Failure: easily assume 1 meaning, but: an omission; a state of   inability; sudden cessation; a falling short; a lack of success… #chat2lrn 15:10:12
megbertapelle MT @lnddave: Q1) I’ll … say “Yes” we should avoid the word   failure. We look at it as part of learning, most don’t. #chat2lrn <true 15:10:13
tomspiglanin RT @LnDDave: RT @chat2lrn: Q2) What is the difference between a   mistake and a failure? #chat2lrn 15:10:16
JudithELS RT @chat2lrn: Q2) What is the difference between a mistake and a   failure? #chat2lrn 15:10:22
JD_Dillon Q1) What’s the opposite of passing the test w/o the word   “fail”? It’s not “areas for continued development.”  #chat2lrn 15:10:23
megbertapelle RT @chat2lrn: Q2) What is the difference between a mistake and a   failure? #chat2lrn 15:10:27
ZaraLynnKing #chat2lrn what is the quote “Failure is not falling down but refusing   to get up.” 15:10:48
Dave_Ferguson @JD_Dillon Why not?
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pattishank Does it depend on why you failed? #chat2lrn 15:11:05
bsoist “School confuses us, so do bosses and families. Go ahead, fail.   Try to avoid mistakes, though.” – Seth Godin #chat2lrn 15:11:09
JD_Dillon Q2) Mistake vs failure … Brings to mind the objective of the task.   You can make mistakes w/o failing overall. #chat2lrn 15:11:15
LnDDave Q2) Mistake: I do not follow the process; Failure: I follow the   process, but fail in execution. #Chat2lrn 15:11:24
dropthepencil “Mistake” lends itself to process, where “failure”   implies completion. #chat2lrn 15:11:27
SaynRainbow Failure : only used in my opinion if one drops out, does not finish or   too lazy. Someone who trys but unsuccessful is not failure #chat2lrn 15:11:30
ZaraLynnKing RT @LnDDave: Q2) Mistake: I do not follow the process; Failure: I   follow the process, but fail in execution. #Chat2lrn 15:11:36
KevinDJones To me #failure = not achieving a specific goal. A #mistake is a   sidestep on the way to that goal. #chat2lrn 15:11:37
ZaraLynnKing RT @KevinDJones: To me #failure = not achieving a specific goal. A   #mistake is a sidestep on the way to that goal. #chat2lrn 15:11:46
megbertapelle RT @tomspiglanin: @pattishank Often “failure” isn’t. Reeval.   approach & expcttns, find wrkarnds -wht I mnt by don’t give up 2early   #chat2lrn 15:11:55
bsoist Q2) a mistake is a failure repeated #chat2lrn http://t.co/c3fFKn5W 15:11:56
StephanieDedhar Q2) Hmm… Tough one. Perhaps mistake = stumbling block on the way to   a goal, failure = not achieving desired goal? #chat2lrn 15:11:57
FionaQuigs Q2) Failure = a temporary result not taken on as a state of mind or   personal characteristic. Mistake describes it better.  #chat2lrn 15:11:58
dropthepencil @ZaraLynnKing what is the quote “Failure is not falling down but   refusing to get up”<<3 🙂 #chat2lrn 15:12:04
tomspiglanin Q2) Interesting question. A mistake could be a failure to communicate,   a failure of judgment, etc. #chat2lrn 15:12:06
Dave_Ferguson Probably wise to avoid telling our client what his/her terminology   means, anyway. #chat2lrn 15:12:06
JD_Dillon RT @LnDDave: Q2) Mistake: I do not follow the process; Failure: I   follow the process, but fail in execution. #chat2lrn 15:12:12
pattishank q2) So a mistake is when you should have known better and a failure is   when you you shouldn’t have? #chat2lrn 15:12:13
KevinDJones RT dropthepencil “Mistake” lends itself to process, where   “failure” implies completion. #chat2lrn 15:12:14
kellygarber Q2: mistakes can lead to failure, mistakes can lead to success. Then   again, failure can lead to success. …now i’m all confused. #chat2lrn 15:12:28
JudithELS Q2) A matter of degree. I make a mistake & people are more ready   to forgive. I fail & people are … ! #chat2lrn 15:12:34
petersonandrew #chat2lrn  failure implies   closure / finality, I don’t like the word. 15:12:35
Dave_Ferguson @JD_Dillon So, it’s things to improve, but better to say “places   you failed?” #chat2lrn 15:12:37
megbertapelle RT @catmoore: word “failure” becomes problematic when a   person who fails @ something decides they are a failure. Not word’s fault.   #chat2lrn 15:12:51
JD_Dillon Q2) Mistake = I got a question wrong on the test. Failure = I did not   achieve the desired passing score.    #chat2lrn 15:12:51
bsoist @pattishank that’s my take on it #chat2lrn @chat2lrn 15:13:00
ZaraLynnKing #chat2lrn it is all so subjective. 15:13:11
ExpertusONE Important distinction! <RT @LnDDave: A2) MISTAKE: Didn’t follow the   process. FAILURE: Followed process, but failed in execution. #chat2lrn 15:13:21
StephanieDedhar @dropthepencil Your process/completion idea is what I was trying to   articulate! Would RT it but TweetChat isn’t letting me 😦 #chat2lrn 15:13:23
dropthepencil @JudithELS Failure is giving up, then. #chat2lrn 15:13:23
C_More_Zebras Q2) mistake is a word you use when apologizing. failure is used when   you are being honest with others and yourself #chat2lrn 15:13:32
FionaQuigs Q2) is a mistake an early warning sign towards possible failure?   #chat2lrn 15:13:45
CatMoore Q2) For me, mistake = poor decision. Failure = my project doesn’t meet   my minimal goals; time to do something else. #chat2lrn 15:14:06
JudithELS RT @dropthepencil: @JudithELS Failure is giving up, then. <It could   definitely be the outcome 😦 #chat2lrn 15:14:11
megbertapelle Q2) mistake = still involved, can still be fixed. failure = complete   and unsuccessful.  Not that you don’t   try again tho! #chat2lrn 15:14:13
dropthepencil @JD_Dillon True, but we don’t measure life that way – so it becomes   semantic argument. #chat2lrn 15:14:18
JD_Dillon @Dave_Ferguson same concept, different words, the words shouldn’t hide   the ultimate meaning for the learner #chat2lrn 15:14:20
kellygarber Q2: mistake = oops, failure = OOPS #chat2lrn 15:14:23
chat2lrn Q3) What is the most important lesson you learned from failure?   #chat2lrn 15:14:25
Dave_Ferguson @C_More_Zebras So I failed when I turned left instead of right?  #chat2lrn 15:14:36
olliegardener RT @C_More_Zebras: Q2) mistake is a word for apologizing. failure is   used when u r being honest with others & yourself <- like it #chat2lrn 15:14:39
dropthepencil @StephanieDedhar 😀 Thanks! #chat2lrn 15:14:49
tomspiglanin RT @chat2lrn: Q3) What is the most important lesson you learned from   failure? #chat2lrn 15:14:52
LnDDave RT @chat2lrn: Q3) What is the most important lesson you learned from   failure? #chat2lrn 15:15:08
kellygarber RT @JudithELS: Q2) A matter of degree. I make a mistake & people   are more ready to forgive. I fail & people are … ! | what? 🙂 #chat2lrn 15:15:09
olliegardener RT @CatMoore: Q2) For me, mistake = poor decision. Failure = my   project doesnt meet my minimal goals; time to do something else. #chat2lrn 15:15:12
JudithELS RT @FionaQuigs: Q2) is a mistake an early warning sign towards   possible failure? <& which added up can lead to it? #chat2lrn 15:15:16
petersonandrew #chat2lrn failure is a social state, a mistake is part of the learning   process. 15:15:18
dropthepencil @tomspiglanin GRACE. #chat2lrn 15:15:30
SaynRainbow Q3 … Try again … and keep trying until successful #chat2lrn 15:15:31
Dave_Ferguson @JD_Dillon I haven’t encountered that many clients who enjoy the word   “failure,” though. They’re not crazy about “test,”   either.
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megbertapelle MT @kellygarber: Q2: mistakes can -<fail, mistakes -<success.   Then again, failure -<success. now confused.<LOL that’s life! 🙂   #chat2lrn 15:15:51
JudithELS RT @CatMoore: Q2) For me, mistake = poor decision. Failure = my   project doesnt meet my minimal goals; time to do something else. #chat2lrn 15:15:51
petersonandrew #chat2lrn failure is never a planned part of the learning process 15:15:52
LnDDave RT @chat2lrn: Q3) What is the most important lesson you learned from   failure? #chat2lrn <<That life will still go on. 15:15:52
ExpertusONE Or passed test but didn’t retain RT @JD_Dillon A2) MISTAKE = Got a Q   wrong on the test. FAILURE = Didn’t get desired passing score #chat2lrn 15:15:53
megbertapelle RT @chat2lrn: Q3) What is the most important lesson you learned from   failure? #chat2lrn 15:16:06
JudithELS RT @chat2lrn: Q3) What is the most important lesson you learned from   failure? #chat2lrn 15:16:09
CatMoore RT @petersonandrew: #chat2lrn failure is a social state, a mistake is   part of the learning process. #chat2lrn 15:16:11
olliegardener @SaynRainbow HEY!! *very* cool to see you there. Enjoy 🙂 #chat2lrn 15:16:42
LnDDave Q3) The most important lesson in failure is to ensure there actually   IS a lesson from failure; make it worth something. #Chat2lrn 15:16:43
tomspiglanin Q3) Don’t hide professional failures. Socialize them, share them,   learn from them. Transparency=growth; concealment is dangerous. #chat2lrn 15:16:45
KevinDJones Most import. #failure lesson: Get comfortable with my failures – and   others. It WILL happen. Diff is in how we react. #chat2lrn 15:16:46
dropthepencil RT @chat2lrn: Q3) What is the most important lesson you learned from   failure? #chat2lrn 15:16:49
kellygarber Q2 – maybe no more than a grammatical difference? you make a mistake   …you fail at something #chat2lrn 15:16:53
JD_Dillon Q3) That I have another chance to do it better next time (haven’t   failed during a sky dive or similarly definitive scenario).  #chat2lrn 15:16:57
megbertapelle Q3) what NOT to do next time… and opp for coming up w/better   solution. #chat2lrn 15:17:01
ZaraLynnKing #chat2lrn most important lesson is that failure can lead to greater   success. 15:17:15
sparkandco RT@chat2lrn: Q3) What is the most important lesson you learned from   failure? #chat2lrn <humility 15:17:25
tomspiglanin @ExpertusONE mistake = knowing correct answer and checking wrong box   #chat2lrn 15:17:32
C_More_Zebras Q3) when in doubt…hire out #chat2lrn 15:17:38
megbertapelle MT @LnDDave: RT @chat2lrn: Q3) …most important lesson you learned   from failure? #chat2lrn <<That life will still go on. <AMEN   #chat2lrn 15:17:42
Dave_Ferguson “I didn’t get a passing score on the test b/c its creator failed   to see my job doesn’t often involve multiple-guess Qs.” #chat2lrn 15:17:46
pattishank Q3) Plan to learn from failures and mistakes or you will keep paying   tuition for them. #chat2lrn 15:17:52
ZaraLynnKing #chat2lrn failure has opened new opportunity. I failed at my first big   city job but it brought me eventually here to the role i LOVE 15:18:06
FionaQuigs RT @pattishank: Q3) Plan to learn from failures and mistakes or you   will keep paying tuition for them. #chat2lrn <yep, lol!! 15:18:12
JD_Dillon Q3) I draw considerable learning from the failures/renewal of others,   reading Steve Jobs by Walter Isaacson right now. #chat2lrn 15:18:14
olliegardener q2) mistake – falling over. Failure – not getting up again.  #chat2lrn 15:18:16
petersonandrew #chat2lrn my worst learning experience is when something works the   first time. 15:18:29
megbertapelle RT @ZaraLynnKing: #chat2lrn most important lesson is that failure can   lead to greater success. <YES! #chat2lrn 15:18:42
JudithELS Q3) My most important lesson from failure is that I am only human-   srly! #chat2lrn 15:18:55
megbertapelle RT @olliegardener: q2) mistake – falling over. Failure – not getting   up again. <I like that Ollie 🙂 #chat2lrn 15:18:58
kellygarber Q3 – most important lesson learned from failure, in general = try   again. #chat2lrn 15:19:03
dropthepencil @ZaraLynnKing This is often the best way to reconcile failure, but   difficult when you’re in the midst of it :(. #chat2lrn 15:19:04
tomspiglanin @megbertapelle @LnDDave Q3) YES, life goes on. Learn from failure and   document it. We call them “Lessons Learned” #chat2lrn 15:19:17
pattishank RT @JD_Dillon Q3) I draw considerable learning from the   failures/renewal of others<I don’t think most do tho #chat2lrn 15:19:25
CatMoore RT @ZaraLynnKing: #chat2lrn failure = new opportunity. Failed at first   big city job but it brought me here to the role i LOVE #chat2lrn 15:19:26
JudithELS RT @petersonandrew: #chat2lrn my worst learning experience is when   something works the first time <because you don’t know why? #chat2lrn 15:19:28
ExpertusONE Words to learn by & live by! RT @pattishank: A3) Plan to learn   from failures and mistakes or you will keep paying tuition for them #chat2lrn 15:19:30
dropthepencil @JudithELS #wishiwerespock. #chat2lrn 15:19:45
sparkandco I’m sorry to only be sporadic on this #chat2lrn I LOVE the topic.   Blame Cassie who took priority this morn http://t.co/s6G11m4P 15:20:02
bsoist RT @pattishank: Q3) Plan to learn from failures and mistakes or you   will keep paying tuition for them. #chat2lrn 15:20:17
olliegardener @ZaraLynnKing Brilliant. In every dark cloud there’s a silver lining. <-   maybe that’s the lesson & the reason to bet back up?!  #chat2lrn 15:20:18
Dave_Ferguson @pattishank No, a good many people draw considerable GLEE from the   failure of others.  #chat2lrn 15:20:37
CatMoore Q3) I’m having trouble with this one because I don’t label things   “failure.” Series of mistakes or bad path, not final. #chat2lrn 15:20:43
megbertapelle MT @ExpertusONE: Words to learn by & live by! RT @pattishank: A3)   Plan to lrn frm failure &mistakes or u keep paying for them #chat2lrn 15:20:58
petersonandrew @JudithELS #chat2lrn because the content isn’t reinforced.  If I make a mistake I have a deeper   learning experience. 15:20:58
kellygarber Q3: there must always be a first time in doing anything – do it and   get it behind you. #chat2lrn 15:21:05
dropthepencil @Dave_Ferguson schadenfreude. #chat2lrn 15:21:15
tomspiglanin Q3) Most important lesson learned from failure is that it wasn’t.   Found much right, even though it fell short of my expectations. #chat2lrn 15:21:34
JudithELS RT @petersonandrew: because the content isnt reinforced.  If I make a mistake I have a deeper   learning experience <Precisely! #chat2lrn 15:21:48
crahtgens RT @KevinDJones: To me #failure = not achieving a specific goal. A   #mistake is a sidestep on the way to that goal. #chat2lrn 15:21:54
JD_Dillon Q3) It takes courage to admit when you fail, even more to come back   stronger.  #chat2lrn 15:22:01
megbertapelle MT @JudithELS: Q3) most important lesson frm failure = I am only   human- srly! <hard 2 take for a perfectionist – imptnt lesson! #chat2lrn 15:22:15
pattishank @dropthepencil @Dave_Ferguson schadenfreude What does this mean?   #chat2lrn 15:22:22
megbertapelle RT @crahtgens: RT @KevinDJones: To me #failure = not achieving a   specific goal. A #mistake is a sidestep on the way to that goal. #chat2lrn 15:22:27
petersonandrew #chat2lrn my mentality in classroom design, fail early, fail often,   learn and adapt. 15:22:28
chat2lrn Q4) Do we need to be more respectful/tolerant of failure? #chat2lrn 15:22:29
tomspiglanin Q3) Past failures makes success that much sweeter #chat2lrn 15:22:47
LnDDave Q3) Failure is ultimately an outcome, so if learning is constant and   continuous, does failure have a place? #chat2lrn 15:22:47
LnDDave RT @chat2lrn: Q4) Do we need to be more respectful/tolerant of   failure? #chat2lrn 15:22:54
megbertapelle RT @petersonandrew: #chat2lrn my mentality in classroom design, fail   early, fail often, learn and adapt. #chat2lrn 15:23:01
Dave_Ferguson @pattishank Taking pleasure in the misfortune of others. Esp those you   think deserve it.  😉 #chat2lrn 15:23:05
tomspiglanin RT @chat2lrn: Q4) Do we need to be more respectful/tolerant of   failure? #chat2lrn 15:23:05
megbertapelle RT @chat2lrn: Q4) Do we need to be more respectful/tolerant of   failure? #chat2lrn 15:23:06
megbertapelle RT @JD_Dillon: Q3) It takes courage to admit when you fail, even more   to come back stronger. <so true #chat2lrn 15:23:21
pattishank q4) I think we need to even build it in #chat2lrn 15:23:24
CatMoore Rather than change the language, change how we view mistakes.  #chat2lrn 15:23:27
KevinDJones Q4) Do we need to be more respectful/tolerant of failure? <If you   don’t, others won’t be tolerant of you, either. #chat2lrn 15:23:31
JudithELS RT @chat2lrn: Q4) Do we need to be more respectful/tolerant of   failure? #chat2lrn 15:23:44
dropthepencil @Dave_Ferguson Well defined 🙂 #chat2lrn 15:23:53
tomspiglanin Yes, and no. Routine work, yes. Manned spaceflight, no. RT @chat2lrn:   Q4) Do we need to be more respectful/tolerant of failure? #chat2lrn 15:23:57
CatMoore RT @tomspiglanin: Q3) Most important lesson from failure is that it   wasnt. Found much right, even tho fell short of expectations. #chat2lrn 15:23:59
pattishank @Dave_Ferguson ah, okay unfortunate use of energy #chat2lrn 15:24:01
JD_Dillon Q4) Toleration of failure depends on the situation. Either way,   consequences and support opportunities must be transparent. #chat2lrn 15:24:06
olliegardener “A wise man learns by the mistakes of others, a fool by his   own” <- hardly very tolerant & assumes u r walking a well-trodden   path #chat2lrn 15:24:09
JD_Dillon RT @CatMoore: Rather than change the language, change how we view   mistakes.  #chat2lrn 15:24:12
StephanieDedhar Q4) Yes, perhaps even celebrate failure. @happyhenry Is it in one of   your books you talk about importance of celebrating failure? #chat2lrn 15:24:16
sparkandco Q4 think of failure as lesson plan for future #chat2lrn 15:24:16
LThorpeHR RT @CatMoore: Rather than change the language, change how we view   mistakes.  #chat2lrn 15:24:20
kellygarber Q4 – yes – respect & tolerate failure but more so – expect and   anticipate. #chat2lrn 15:24:29
dropthepencil q4) are we NOT respectful or tolerant of failure? #chat2lrn 15:24:29
kakkarhimanshu #CarolBartz NOT EVERYBODY IN LIFE KNOWS HOW TO TAKE ADVANTAGE OF   FAILURE. VIEW FAILURE AS A SIGN OF EXPRNC http://t.co/dGTxHCSG #chat2lrn 15:24:34
megbertapelle RT @pattishank: q4) I think we need to even build it in <foster a   culture of learning where innovation & failure are lrng exprncs #chat2lrn 15:24:40
pattishank RT @tomspiglanin Yes, and no. Routine work, yes. Manned spaceflight,   no. <Uh, good point #chat2lrn 15:24:46
JD_Dillon @tomspiglanin I was going towards brain surgery as my “no   toleration of failure” example! 🙂 #chat2lrn 15:24:51
megbertapelle RT @sparkandco: Q4 think of failure as lesson plan for future   #chat2lrn 15:24:53
LnDDave Q4) No, assuming the ‘We’ are learning professionals. We’re already   tolerant of it. It’s an org culture issue. #chat2lrn 15:24:59
SaynRainbow @pattishank @dropthepencil @Dave_Ferguson it means ‘ gloating ‘   #chat2lrn 15:25:02
LnDDave RT @CatMoore: Rather than change the language, change how we view   mistakes.  #chat2lrn 15:25:02
JudithELS Q4) Respecting & tolerating failure is crucial but it has to be a   2-way street for everyone #chat2lrn 15:25:06
C_More_Zebras If failure is likely in the real world, as learning professional we   need to show the consequences, and support/provide practice. #chat2lrn 15:25:24
bsoist A4) Absolutely! We learn best by failing, so putting all the emphasis   on 100% success is counterproductive #chat2lrn 15:25:25
dropthepencil @pattishank @tomspiglanin LOL. #chat2lrn 15:25:32
pattishank q4) And we don’t want our surgeon to fail #chat2lrn 15:25:34
JD_Dillon @dropthepencil I would hope some orgs are. When leaders require 100%   passing scores on bland m/c tests, we are not. #chat2lrn 15:25:37
tomspiglanin Q4) More tolerant of failure… back to distinction between mistake   and failure. “mistake/fault tolerant design” might be the goal   #chat2lrn 15:25:56
dropthepencil @LnDDave ah.  good point.   #chat2lrn 15:25:58
petersonandrew Q4) #chat2lrn  YES, failure   should be an expected part of the process.    No one wins / succeeds all the time 15:25:59
FionaQuigs RT @pattishank: q4) And we don’t want our surgeon to fail <<but   while he is learning in a safe environment, maybe?#chat2lrn 15:26:08
tomspiglanin RT @LnDDave: RT @CatMoore: Rather than change the language, change how   we view mistakes.  #chat2lrn 15:26:09
kellygarber RT @sparkandco: Q4 think of failure as lesson plan for future   #chat2lrn 15:26:09
bsoist @LnDDave u think most learning professionals are tolerant of failure?   #chat2lrn 15:26:12
pattishank q4) But what about failure during learning. Always okay. Good even?   #chat2lrn 15:26:20
dropthepencil @pattishank No, but they do.    It’s just that the stakes are higher.    We should expect nothing less from them, than ourselves. #chat2lrn 15:26:39
petersonandrew #chat2lrn heard the comparison to weight lifting, if you succeed every   time, you don’t grow. 15:26:45
CatMoore Q4) It sounds like “failure” is being used harshly, meaning   no redeeming value at all. Influence from academe and tests? #chat2lrn 15:26:50
KevinDJones But there is a difference between an org & a person. Orgs are   steered by culture, people by emotion. Orgs can’t forgive #failure #chat2lrn 15:26:50
megbertapelle RT @tomspiglanin: RT @LnDDave: RT @CatMoore: Rather than change the   language, change how we view mistakes.    #chat2lrn 15:26:53
ZaraLynnKing can you RT q4 i crashed #chat2lrn 15:26:55
JudithELS RT @pattishank: q4) And we dont want our surgeon to fail <So, for   some people failure isn’t acceptable then? #chat2lrn 15:26:56
LnDDave Q4) We need to better define the value in failure. In our world,   learner ‘failure” may be a sign of a selection issue. #chat2lrn 15:26:58
SaynRainbow Apologies have to leave you at the moment, otherwise my cement will   fail me ! … keep going this in interesting … ! #chat2lrn 15:27:03
JD_Dillon Q4) We also can’t be afraid to provide opportunities for failure as   part of learning. The org culture must support us.  #chat2lrn 15:27:08
ZaraLynnKing @LnDDave  or a failure in the   learn we provide #chat2lrn 15:27:29
C_More_Zebras failure can kill confidence, if left alone. Let them fail safely then   build confidence with practice, rich feedback and support #chat2lrn 15:27:45
FionaQuigs Q4) There are cultural influences on how we view and are tolerant of   failure #chat2lrn 15:27:47
tomspiglanin Q4) mistakes can lead to failure, some failure can’t be tolerated. Not   so in L&D work, we can adjust, learn in the process. #chat2lrn 15:27:50
pattishank @petersonandrew Yes, that’s how muscle fibers grow. Good analogy.   #chat2lrn 15:27:50
Dave_Ferguson “Failure during learning” implies “no excessively   harmful consequences.” In some cases, that’s not possible. #chat2lrn 15:27:53
JD_Dillon Q4) If failure is not acceptable in your role, you should know it and   accept it BEFORE you take the job (sky diving instructor).  #chat2lrn 15:28:02
megbertapelle RT @FionaQuigs: RT @pattishank: q4) dnt want surgeon to fail <<but   while lrng in safe envrnmnt, maybe?<yes, how else will lrn? #chat2lrn 15:28:13
sparkandco Q4 – as a freelancer, failure is not something most clients want to   pay for, reality #chat2lrn 15:28:22
LnDDave @bsoist I think learning professionals are more tolerant than   non-learning professionals #chat2lrn 15:28:26
petersonandrew Q4) #chat2lrn surgeons can fail in simulations, just not in   implementation.  No one should be   ‘learning’ in highly critical areas 15:28:34
tomspiglanin +10<RT @FionaQuigs Q4) There are cultural influences on how we view   and are tolerant of failure #chat2lrn 15:28:37
KevinDJones Imagine not accepting failure of a child learning to walk. No way.   #Failure is inherent in @learning. #chat2lrn 15:28:41
LnDDave RT @Dave_Ferguson: “Failure during learning” implies   “no excessively harmful consequences.” In some cases, that’s not   possible. #chat2lrn 15:28:45
FionaQuigs Q4) Maybe we should define a failure tolerance as part of learning   #chat2lrn 15:28:48
Dave_Ferguson @JudithELS I think failure (in less-than-ideal outcome) often   inevitable. In medicine we all seek miracles, though. #chat2lrn 15:28:48
dropthepencil RT @Dave_Ferguson “Failure during learning” implies “no   excessively harmful consequences.” In some cases, that’s not possible.   #chat2lrn 15:28:51
JudithELS @CatMoore Q4) I agree, our educational experiences have a lot to   answer for, yet here it’s easier to deal with failure #chat2lrn 15:28:52
olliegardener @FionaQuigs our surgeon to fail <- I’d want one who had the ability   to get back up again at least!!!    #chat2lrn 15:28:58
megbertapelle MT @C_More_Zebras: failure can kill confidence, if left alone. Let   fail safely, build confidence w/prctce, rich feedback &support #chat2lrn 15:29:10
pattishank If failure not acceptable during learning you need sims so it is,   right? #chat2lrn 15:29:15
olliegardener RT @KevinDJones: Imagine not accepting failure of a child learning to   walk. No way. #Failure is inherent in @learning. #chat2lrn 15:29:16
dropthepencil @petersonandrew You’re asking for a lot, here. #chat2lrn 15:29:19
bsoist @pattishank right, u can and should fail while learning surgery – so u   don’t fail while doing it #chat2lrn 15:29:20
JudithELS RT @sparkandco: Q4 – as a freelancer, failure is not something most   clients want to pay for, reality <Yes, sadly it is. #chat2lrn 15:29:27
Dave_Ferguson @LnDDave Depends on who you see as learning pros. I’ve seen dogmatic,   top-down, my-way-or-highway folks all over the place. #chat2lrn 15:29:35
olliegardener RT @tomspiglanin: +100<RT @FionaQuigs Q4) There are cultural   influences on how we view and are tolerant of failure #chat2lrn 15:29:41
megbertapelle RT @olliegardener: @FionaQuigs our surgeon to fail <- Id want one   who had the ability to get back up again at least! <damn strght #chat2lrn 15:29:44
KevinDJones @Dave_Ferguson Don’t agree. “Excessively harmful   consequences” sometimes, unfortunately, is what is needed. But we try to   avoid. #chat2lrn 15:29:47
JD_Dillon Q4) People are afraid to fail. We shouldn’t eliminate that instinct,   rather leverage it properly.  #chat2lrn 15:29:48
bsoist @LnDDave I can agree with that, but I think we have a long way to go   #chat2lrn 15:30:03
LnDDave @Dave_Ferguson True. I’m just playing overall percentages here. 😉   #chat2lrn 15:30:19
LnDDave RT @bsoist: @LnDDave I can agree with that, but I think we have a long   way to go #chat2lrn <<Very much so. 15:30:34
FionaQuigs Q4) If you don’t tolerate failire, ppl are more likely to hide and lie   about it #chat2lrn 15:30:34
C_More_Zebras Q4) sometime we fail because we don’t understand the risks. Or   recognize what we do is risky. Focus on that! #chat2lrn 15:30:35
tomspiglanin Q4) @pattishank failure during learning can be good; failure to learn   is not. We should always be learning in every context. #chat2lrn 15:30:38
Dave_Ferguson @KevinDJones I was thinking of, say, surgeons learning OTJ. Some   pretty dire failure they’d rather not have. #chat2lrn 15:30:41
dropthepencil Loved this chat, friends.  Sorry   to go so soon! :/ #chat2lrn 15:31:00
megbertapelle MT @petersonandrew: Q4) surgeons can fail in sims…No 1 shld be lrng   in critical areas <start w/easy cases, build to complex #chat2lrn 15:31:01
pattishank Hmmm, when I fail as consultant, I don’t charge. #chat2lrn 15:31:20
sparkandco Q4 the benefits of failure aren’t appreciated until after the fact, so   in an org, it’s a process issue too #chat2lrn 15:31:31
ExpertusONE Bingo! RT @megbertapelle @FionaQuigs @pattishank A4 Dnt want surgeon   to fail <but while lrng in safe envrmnt?<yes how else to lrn #chat2lrn 15:31:48
Dave_Ferguson @megbertapelle Agree re sims, but sooner or later you’ve got to   actually repair an aortic aneurysm.
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happyhenry @stephaniededhar Absolutely. Celebrating mistakes is crucial to   enabling a blame-free culture and innovation #chat2lrn 15:32:00
pattishank @tomspiglanin EXCELLENT point Wish tweetchat was working better!
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bsoist @LnDDave and we could do a better job educating others abt + side of   failure – esp. parents of young students #chat2lrn 15:32:13
petersonandrew @pattishank #chat2lrn “will fail for free”  🙂 15:32:13
Dave_Ferguson @KevinDJones Not for the patient.    #chat2lrn 15:32:26
megbertapelle RT @tomspiglanin: Q4) @pattishank failure during lrng can b good;   failure to lrn is not. We should always b lrng in every context #chat2lrn 15:32:31
pattishank RT @sparkandco Q4 the benefits of failure aren’t appreciated until   after the fact, so it’s a process issue too    #chat2lrn 15:32:44
JD_Dillon Most roles have a sliding scale for failure and learning. Early (sims,   training, etc.) its acceptable. Later it may not be.  #chat2lrn 15:32:58
kellygarber RT @pattishank: Hmmm, when I fail as consultant, I dont charge. <-   I know! compounds the failure, lesson, and learning. #chat2lrn 15:33:09
tomspiglanin Q4) putting learner at risk to fail is hallmark of good ID, no?   #chat2lrn 15:33:10
LnDDave @bsoist Don’t get me started on failure in a school setting… Ugh.   #chat2lrn 15:33:15
KevinDJones In #innovation, #failure must be more accepted. In high   “cost” areas, #failure should be minimized. #chat2lrn 15:33:32
JudithELS RT @pattishank: Hmmm, when I fail as consultant, I dont charge <Well,   that’s one way round it I assume #chat2lrn 15:33:32
olliegardener q4) to increase the success rate – increase the failure rate!   Investing strategically in innovation demands a new mentality #chat2lrn 15:33:36
olliegardener @LnDDave LOL ..  #chat2lrn 15:33:50
pattishank RT@petersonandrew “will fail for free” :-)<yup only fair   🙂 #chat2lrn 15:33:55
megbertapelle @KevinDJones @Dave_Ferguson and usu when lrng, there’s a more   experienced surgeon on hand – fellowship/residency programs do this #chat2lrn 15:34:05
sparkandco RT @KevinDJones: In #innovation, #failure must be more accepted. In high   “cost” areas, #failure should be minimized. #chat2lrn 15:34:33
ZaraLynnKing Stupid pc crashed in midle of #chat2lrn 15:34:39
CatMoore RT @tomspiglanin: Q4) putting learner at risk to fail is hallmark of   good ID, no? <if “fail” = “make mistakes in realistic   sim” #chat2lrn 15:35:01
tomspiglanin @pattishank yes, struggling with TweetChat today. Alternating with   Twitter app. #chat2lrn 15:35:10
DrGeena Accepting and embracing failure as learning opportunities is key to a   successful learning culture within an org. #chat2lrn 15:35:31
sparkandco Q4 failure is situational, more nuanced requires diff approaches   #chat2lrn 15:35:32
chat2lrn Q5) How can learning out loud (LOL) help? #chat2lrn 15:35:33
kellygarber RT @tomspiglanin: Q4) putting learner at risk to fail is hallmark of   good ID, no? | with safety net & clear path to recovery #chat2lrn 15:35:46
megbertapelle failure = high stakes.  mistake   = low stakes.  learning has more impact   when high stakes, therefore failure is good 🙂 #chat2lrn 15:35:48
tomspiglanin RT @chat2lrn: Q5) How can learning out loud (LOL) help? #chat2lrn 15:35:52
pattishank @CatMoore I think it’s essential. #chat2lrn 15:35:56
olliegardener RT @chat2lrn: Q5) How can learning out loud (LOL) help? #chat2lrn 15:36:14
megbertapelle RT @chat2lrn: Q5) How can learning out loud (LOL) help? <hmmm what   does that mean? #chat2lrn 15:36:17
ExpertusONE A1) @JohnKlymshyn didn’t include #chat2lrn tag so I’ll RT for him: NO.   We learn more from failures than sucesses @olliegardener @chat2lrn 15:36:29
tomspiglanin But some mistakes lead to failures. Rocket science, surgery, etc. MT   @megbertapelle failure = high stakes. mistake = low stakes. #chat2lrn 15:36:43
LnDDave RT @chat2lrn: Q5) How can learning out loud (LOL) help? #chat2lrn 15:36:45
JD_Dillon Q5) Cultivate a culture that swaps one LOL (laugh out loud) for the   other (learn out loud) when someone fails.    #chat2lrn 15:36:48
DrGeena Our jobs as IDs -creating safe environments for failure! #chat2lrn 15:36:51
pattishank @megbertapelle THX! #chat2lrn 15:37:03
petersonandrew #chat2lrn social reinforcement of content.  If the content is out loud, your peers can   be part of the process. 15:37:08
FionaQuigs Q5) Learning out loud = learning collaboratively with others, warts   and all, not being afraid if you don’t get if right first time #chat2lrn 15:37:09
CatMoore Q5) How are we defining “learning out loud?”
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KevinDJones LOL = (to me) narrating both successes & failures and how you got   there. #chat2lrn 15:37:22
kakkarhimanshu @sparkandco Agreed and its requires situational leadership to tackle   #chat2lrn 15:37:28
olliegardener q5) seeing others (part. leaders and those more experienced) fail,   share and learn, helps others do the same.    #chat2lrn 15:37:28
megbertapelle RT @JD_Dillon: Q5) Cultivate a culture that swaps 1 LOL (laugh out   loud) for the other (learn out loud) when someone fails. <nice #chat2lrn 15:37:32
tomspiglanin Q5) Learning out loud example, blog. Discuss failure and document   lessons learned for others.  #chat2lrn 15:37:37
FionaQuigs RT @KevinDJones: LOL = (to me) narrating both successes & failures   and how you got there. #chat2lrn 15:37:38
JudithELS RT @chat2lrn: Q5) How can learning out loud (LOL) help? #chat2lrn 15:37:40
petersonandrew is learning out loud like laughing when someone fails  🙂     j/k   #chat2lrn 15:38:00
CatMoore RT @FionaQuigs: Q5) Learning out loud = learning collaboratively, not   being afraid if you dont get if right first time #chat2lrn 15:38:03
LnDDave RT @CatMoore: Q5) How are we defining “learning out loud?”
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kellygarber Q5 – let others bear witness to have the learning/resolution touch   more minds than the failure #chat2lrn 15:38:26
kakkarhimanshu @CatMoore By accepting failures as learning and innovate #chat2lrn 15:38:44
pattishank q5) Sets up the standard to share reality. #chat2lrn 15:38:56
olliegardener q5) LOL = learning out loud / lots of love / laugh out loud. <-   connected somehow 🙂 #chat2lrn 15:39:00
tomspiglanin Q5) Learning out loud = transparency. Share what happened, what was   learned. Isn’t that what “social” is all about? #chat2lrn 15:39:04
megbertapelle RT @FionaQuigs: Q5) Learning out loud = lrng collaboratively w/others,   warts & all, not being afraid if dont get it right 1st time #chat2lrn 15:39:10
olliegardener RT @CatMoore: RT @FionaQuigs: Q5) Learning out loud = learning   collaboratively, not being afraid if you dont get if right 1st time #chat2lrn 15:39:15
megbertapelle RT @kellygarber: Q5 – let others bear witness to have the   learning/resolution touch more minds than the failure <ooh like that   #chat2lrn 15:39:26
bsoist @tomspiglanin I’m a big fan of that kind of collaborative learning   #chat2lrn 15:39:47
LnDDave Q5) Both require a safety and value assigned to the definition of   mistakes and failure. #Chat2lrn 15:39:53
tomspiglanin @kakkarhimanshu @CatMoore I don’t accept failure as a learning   experience; it’s an opportunity IF you examine why it happened #chat2lrn 15:40:28
olliegardener @megbertapelle: @kellygarber: Q5 let others bear witness 2 have the   learning touch more minds than the failure <ooh like that #chat2lrn 15:40:31
megbertapelle RT @tomspiglanin: Q5) Learning out loud = transparency. Share what   happened, what was lrnd. Isn’t that what “social” is all abt?   #chat2lrn 15:40:41
JD_Dillon Q5) LOL starts with the culture. L&D can support by providing safe   spaces & tools to share related learning. #chat2lrn 15:40:43
megbertapelle RT @kakkarhimanshu: @CatMoore By accepting failures as learning and   innovate #chat2lrn 15:41:07
StephanieDedhar Sorry I can’t stay for rest of chat, few end-of-day things coming up   to deal with. Will catch up on transcript though. Bye all! #chat2lrn 15:41:07
tomspiglanin Qall) Failure itself is not the teacher. #chat2lrn 15:41:31
pattishank @StephanieDedhar Thanks Stephanie! #chat2lrn 15:41:41
pattishank @tomspiglanin So you’re saying that what you learned by the failure is   the teacher?
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tomspiglanin RT @bsoist: @tomspiglanin I’m a big fan of that kind of collaborative   learning #chat2lrn 15:42:25
megbertapelle RT @tomspiglanin: Qall) Failure itself is not the teacher. <agreed,   need the reflection & plan for improvement #chat2lrn 15:42:31
tomspiglanin @bsoist me too! #chat2lrn 15:42:39
pedromoore RT @bsoist: A4) Absolutely! We learn best by failing, so putting all   the emphasis on 100% success is counterproductive #chat2lrn 15:43:30
FionaQuigs Q5) If we LOL then we send a message that failure/mistakes are normal   and they don’t block learning #chat2lrn 15:43:31
tomspiglanin @pattishank I’m saying failure itself does not teach. Openness to   learn from it (collaboratively of course is best) does. #chat2lrn 15:44:22
pedromoore RT @bsoist: “School confuses us, so do bosses and families. Go   ahead, fail. Try to avoid mistakes, though.” – Seth Godin #chat2lrn 15:44:22
kellygarber RT @tomspiglanin: Qall) Failure itself is not the teacher. | isn’t it   sometimes? circumstantial? #chat2lrn 15:44:31
chat2lrn Q6) How can we facilitate learning to encourage learning from failure?   #chat2lrn 15:44:36
petersonandrew #chat2lrn LOL can make failure social, I think that collective failure   mitigates the personal risk / shame 15:44:50
LnDDave RT @chat2lrn: Q6) How can we facilitate learning to encourage learning   from failure? #chat2lrn 15:44:52
megbertapelle RT @pedromoore: RT @bsoist: A4) Absolutely! We lrn best by failing, so   putting all emphasis on 100% success is counterproductive #chat2lrn 15:44:53
JD_Dillon Failure shouldn’t be accepted in the workplace. However, it shouldn’t   be feared either.  #chat2lrn 15:45:03
JD_Dillon Q6) Provide examples of improvement that resulted from initial   failure, esp. from org leadership.    #chat2lrn 15:45:49
FionaQuigs Q6) We need to set up learning to allow learner to explore   consequences of mistakes #chat2lrn 15:45:50
megbertapelle RT @petersonandrew: #chat2lrn LOL can make failure social,   …collective failure mitigates the personal risk / shame <good point!   #chat2lrn 15:45:52
olliegardener RT @chat2lrn: Q6) How can we facilitate learning to encourage learning   from failure? #chat2lrn 15:45:57
megbertapelle RT @chat2lrn: Q6) How can we facilitate learning to encourage learning   from failure? #chat2lrn 15:45:57
petersonandrew @JD_Dillon failure should be accepted as part of the process, not the   end result #chat2lrn 15:46:37
megbertapelle MT @JD_Dillon: Failure shldnt b accepted in workplace…shouldnt be   feared either. <prep for, lrn from, improve, don’t give up #chat2lrn 15:46:59
pattishank q6) Build failure and reflectioninto learning #chat2lrn 15:47:31
JD_Dillon Q6) Provide safe spaces for failure and related sharing as part of the   learning process.  #chat2lrn 15:47:54
FionaQuigs Q5) Failure needs to be an aspect of learning – not the entire focus   but thought about when designing #chat2lrn 15:47:55
CatMoore Q6) Let them fail in safe place (eg scenario) and help them conclude   on their own what went wrong #chat2lrn 15:47:56
C_More_Zebras Failure is a deficit indicator. An understanding of where deficits   exist and the penalties assoc. = Motivation to Learn! #chat2lrn 15:47:58
JudithELS RT @chat2lrn: Q6) How can we facilitate learning to encourage learning   from failure? #chat2lrn 15:48:06
megbertapelle RT @tomspiglanin: @pattishank …failure itself does not teach.   Openness to learn frm it (collaboratively of course is best) does. #chat2lrn 15:48:07
LnDDave Q6) Always treat ‘failure’ as a learning opportunity. #chat2lrn 15:48:10
LnDDave RT @CatMoore: Q6) Let them fail in safe place (eg scenario) and help   them conclude on their own what went wrong #chat2lrn 15:48:15
megbertapelle RT @petersonandrew: @JD_Dillon failure should be accepted as part of   the process, not the end result #chat2lrn 15:48:16
CatMoore Q6) Let them make mistakes and see the results. Let them learn from   results, not preaching. #chat2lrn 15:48:31
bsoist A6) I don’t know, that’s why I’m here. #chat2lrn 15:48:48
megbertapelle RT @CatMoore: Q6) Let them make mistakes and see the results. Let them   learn from results, not preaching. <YES! “real” consqnces   #chat2lrn 15:49:06
olliegardener q6) Get senior/respected colleagues 2 share “lessons   learned” – mistakes they did, how they felt, what was the value of   lesson #chat2lrn 15:49:09
JudithELS Spot on<RT @CatMoore: Q6) Let them fail in safe place (eg scenario)   and help them conclude on their own what went wrong #chat2lrn 15:49:20
tomspiglanin Q6) Learning from failure requires a failure-tolerant environment.   Agree or not? Environment = sim, culture, situation, etc.  #chat2lrn 15:49:28
bsoist @CatMoore in my experience, it takes months to convince students it’s   okay to fail #chat2lrn 15:49:36
megbertapelle RT @C_More_Zebras: Failure is a deficit indicator. understanding of   where deficits exist & penalties assoc. = Motivation to Learn! #chat2lrn 15:49:37
FionaQuigs Q6) Address the emotional side of failure – to help people recover   #chat2lrn 15:49:40
tomspiglanin RT @CatMoore: Q6) Let them make mistakes and see the results. Let them   learn from results, not preaching. #chat2lrn 15:49:42
CatMoore Q6) Encourage them to try several approaches to find best one. Don’t   tell them what to do. #chat2lrn 15:49:43
kellygarber Q6 – incorporate lessons learned scenarios – task learner with   “rewriting” the scene so it ends with success. #chat2lrn 15:49:51
ExpertusONE There ya go! RT @tomspiglanin MISTAKE = knowing correct answer &   checking wrong box #chat2lrn @JD_Dillon 15:50:05
JD_Dillon Q6) Create transparency regarding the consequences of failure. Hand   accountability for avoiding those outcomes to the learner. #chat2lrn 15:50:13
LnDDave Q6) By not spoon-feeding everything. Give people the opportunity to   explore, and ‘learning from failure’ becomes natural. #chat2lrn 15:50:19
megbertapelle Q6) ask HARD questions, provide challenging scenarios, DISCUSS the   results as a group #chat2lrn 15:50:20
tomspiglanin We should ALWAYS do this for ourselves! +10 <<RT @LnDDave: Q6)   Always treat failure as a learning opportunity. #chat2lrn 15:50:35
LnDDave RT @CatMoore: Q6) Encourage them to try several approaches to find   best one. Don’t tell them what to do. #chat2lrn 15:50:36
megbertapelle RT @CatMoore: Q6) Encourage them to try several approaches to find   best one. Dont tell them what to do. #chat2lrn 15:50:37
bsoist @CatMoore and then, when they do get it, some (not all) don’t actually   work since they know I don’t care if they fail #chat2lrn 15:50:41
kakkarhimanshu @tomspiglanin @CatMoore So whats the difference btwn learning   experience and opportunity? real learning can show you WHY behind #chat2lrn 15:50:41
olliegardener RT @CatMoore: Q6) Encourage them to try several approaches to find   best one. Dont tell them what to do. #chat2lrn 15:50:42
FionaQuigs MT @CatMoore: Q6) Encourage try several approaches to find best one.   Don’t tell them what to do. #chat2lrn <teach patterns, not absolutes 15:50:53
megbertapelle RT @LnDDave: Q6) By not spoon-feeding everything. Give ppl opportunity   to explore, and learning from failure becomes natural. #chat2lrn 15:50:54
CatMoore @bsoist I’m talking about adults in workplace, where making mistakes   is part of daily life #chat2lrn 15:51:15
megbertapelle RT @ExpertusONE: There ya go! RT @tomspiglanin MISTAKE = knowing   correct answer & checking wrong box @JD_Dillon <YES #chat2lrn 15:51:16
JudithELS Q6) Letting people learn from others’ successes & failures.   Providing them with the support they need #chat2lrn 15:51:35
LnDDave Q6) By just getting out of the way once in a while. #chat2lrn 15:51:39
C_More_Zebras you’ll never see the consequence of failure if the answer are easy.   Cheers @megbertapelle: Q6) provide challenging scenarios!#chat2lrn 15:51:44
FionaQuigs RT @LnDDave: Q6) By just getting out of the way once in a while.   #chat2lrn <Yes the best solutions are often the most simple 15:52:00
megbertapelle @bsoist @CatMoore so, build in a “lessons lrnd” assignment   IF they fail, make them “fix” it. they’re not getting out of   anything #chat2lrn 15:52:22
olliegardener Create realistic learning scenario -there is seldom 1 right answer +   THE right answer is wrong in certain circumstances. Be real! #chat2lrn 15:52:27
kellygarber RT @FionaQuigs Q6) Address the emotional side of failure – to help   people recover | great point!pride/embarrassment can interfere #chat2lrn 15:52:38
megbertapelle @C_More_Zebras 🙂  #chat2lrn 15:52:41
tomspiglanin @kakkarhimanshu @CatMoore example, a class is only an opportunity to   learn, but learning is MY responsibility #chat2lrn 15:52:44
urbie RT @chat2lrn: Q6) How can we facilitate learning to encourage learning   from failure? #chat2lrn 15:53:02
JD_Dillon @ExpertusONE @tomspiglanin well played! 🙂 #chat2lrn 15:53:03
C_More_Zebras if you can simply click your way to 100% no-one will every realize   they are actually failing #chat2lrn 15:53:39
megbertapelle RT @kellygarber: RT @FionaQuigs Q6) Address emotional side failure -to   help ppl recover | great point!pride/embrsmnt can interfere #chat2lrn 15:53:45
megbertapelle RT @tomspiglanin: @kakkarhimanshu @CatMoore example, a class is only   an opportunity to learn, but learning is MY responsibility #chat2lrn 15:53:55
urbie #chat2lrn Q6) on the failure continuum how big are we talking? depends   on how your org scales opportunities-for-learning. 15:54:10
bsoist @LnDDave I try to stay out of the way most of the time #chat2lrn 15:54:12
FionaQuigs @urbie Q6) Good point – using stretch assignments where you have some   (but not too much) opportunity for challenge #chat2lrn 15:55:23
JudithELS RT @FionaQuigs Q6) Address the emotional side of failure – to help people   recover <Definitely & so often overlooked #chat2lrn 15:55:41
CatMoore “Teach patterns, not absolutes” from @FionaQuiggs. Don’t   tell them; have them make mistakes and see pattern. #chat2lrn 15:55:54
tomspiglanin Q6) learning from failure: college physics test, did much work to get   wrong answer. Got credit anyway. Learned. #chat2lrn 15:55:59
JD_Dillon @C_More_Zebras exactly! dedicate time/resources to remediation rather   than focusing on getting everyone their 100% #chat2lrn 15:56:02
FionaQuigs RT @JudithELS: Q6) Letting people learn from others’ successes &   failures. Providing them with the support they need #chat2lrn 15:56:04
LnDDave RT @CatMoore: “Teach patterns, not absolutes” from   @FionaQuiggs. Don’t tell them; have them make mistakes and see pattern.   #chat2lrn 15:56:10
manage_lead RT @kellygarber: Q6 – incorporate lessons learned scenarios – task   learner with “rewriting” the scene so it ends with success.   #chat2lrn 15:56:19
megbertapelle RT @urbie: #chat2lrn Q6) on failure continuum how big r we talking?   depends on how ur org scales opps-for-learning. <how so? #chat2lrn 15:56:29
chat2lrn QWrap) Chatting is great….but reflection and action are   better. What is your “take away”from our   chat?  #chat2lrn 15:56:48
tomspiglanin @kellygarber It’s because we (in this chat & community) are all   active learners. It’s a part of who we are. #chat2lrn 15:56:52
TriciaRansom Q6) Give credit for learning growth, not for right answers.  #chat2lrn 15:57:11
tomspiglanin RT @chat2lrn: QWrap) Chatting is great….but reflection and action   are   better. What is your “take away”from   our chat?  #chat2lrn 15:57:13
C_More_Zebras Q6) without some degree of failure and panic – how do you put the   right people on the right bus? #chat2lrn prayer? 15:57:18
megbertapelle RT @chat2lrn: QWrap) Chatting is great….but reflection and action   are   better. What is your “take away”from   our chat?  #chat2lrn 15:57:26
JudithELS RT @chat2lrn: QWrap) Chatting is great….but reflection and action   are   better. What is your “take away”from   our chat?  #chat2lrn 15:57:38
olliegardener RT @TriciaRansom: Q6) Give credit for learning growth, not for right   answers.  #chat2lrn 15:57:44
FionaQuigs RT @CatMoore Don’t tell them; have them make mistakes and see pattern.   #chat2lrn <that’s kinda what I meant 😉 15:57:49
ExpertusONE Setting expectations helps RT @megbertapelle @kellygarber @FionaQuigs   Q6) Address emotional side failure help ppl recover… #chat2lrn 15:57:58
C_More_Zebras Qwrap – I’m so glad there are people out here that get it! #chat2lrn I   feel better already. 15:58:23
TriciaRansom RT @chat2lrn: QWrap) Chatting is great….but reflection and action   are   better. What is your “take away”from   our chat?  #chat2lrn 15:58:38
JudithELS Nice one<RT @TriciaRansom: Q6) Give credit for learning growth, not   for right answers.  #chat2lrn 15:58:39
tomspiglanin Qwrap) Lessons learned from failures need to be shared. #chat2lrn 15:58:41
CatMoore @FionaQuigs Yeah, I was just amplifying! #chat2lrn 15:58:47
LnDDave RT @tomspiglanin: Qwrap) Lessons learned from failures need to be   shared. #chat2lrn 15:58:48
urbie @megbertapelle #chat2lrn consider RMS Titanic. Lots of mistakes. How   far downrange on uh-oh scale before teachable moments aren’t an option? 15:59:00
megbertapelle Qwrap) that I need to reflect & lrn from my own failures more, &   share them w/my #PLN & work team so they can lrn too! #chat2lrn 15:59:00
ExpertusONE RT @JudithELS: RT @chat2lrn: QWrap) Chatting is great….but   reflection & action are better. What is your “take away”from our   chat?  #chat2lrn 15:59:05
bsoist @megbertapelle going to think on that a bit My CS classes have hw   (try) and lab work (do). might adjust that some cc:@catmoore #chat2lrn 15:59:25
megbertapelle RT @ExpertusONE: Setting expectations helps RT @kellygarber   @FionaQuigs Q6) Address emotional side failure help recover… <true!   #chat2lrn 15:59:30
kellygarber Qwrap: trying nets both success and failure – trying harder nets the   same. Learning from success and failure nets results. #chat2lrn 15:59:44
tomspiglanin Qwrap) TweetChat not as effective as native Twitter site today. #fail   #chat2lrn 15:59:45
FionaQuigs @urbie @megbertapelle prob needs to be tied into role defnition and   performance management too? #chat2lrn 15:59:50
JD_Dillon Qwrap) I always take away how much I can learn from my L&D peers   in just a few mins! Now to take concept to action. #chat2lrn 15:59:53
JudithELS QWrap) I’m in the midst of like-minded people but there’s a lot of   effort required to get others to do a mind-shift #chat2lrn 15:59:55
urbie #chat2lrn Q6 and learning from failure .. anyone mention transparency?   encouraging failure-reporting (when no one else is around to see).. 16:00:21
kellygarber RT @JudithELS: QWrap) Im in the midst of like-minded people but theres   a lot of effort required to get others to do a mind-shift #chat2lrn 16:00:37
TriciaRansom RT @JudithELS: QWrap) I’m in the midst of like-minded people but   there’s a lot of effort required to get others to do a mind-shift #chat2lrn 16:00:39
FionaQuigs QWrap) Best to ask open questions not closed questions in a twitchat,   lol #chat2lrn 16:00:48
tomspiglanin True<<MT @JudithELS: QWrap) Im in the midst of like-minded   people but a lot of effort required to get others to do a mind-shift   #chat2lrn 16:01:12
olliegardener qwrap) next time I get *that* feeling in the pit of my stomach.. I’ll   try my hardest 2 pick it up & examine it.. not just bury it! #chat2lrn 16:01:38
JD_Dillon Thanks for a great #chat2lrn! Great perspective, plenty to think about   for me. JD out! 16:01:47
sparkandco Qwrap – reminded how valuable having black hat thinking up front can   highlight blindspots, gives discussion point for failure #chat2lrn 16:01:53
petersonandrew #chat2lrn re: titanic  Every   failure is a learning opportunity, it’s just a matter if you’re alive to be a   student @urbie 16:02:00
chat2lrn Thanks for joining #chat2lrn today! A transcript will be posted on the   blog at http://t.co/SxIyykqb. #chat2lrn 16:02:03
urbie RT @petersonandrew: #chat2lrn re: titanic  Every failure is a learning opportunity,   it’s just a matter if you’re alive to be a student @urbie 16:02:22
chat2lrn Should u blog on this topic or in response 2 #chat2lrn we want 2   know!! http://t.co/KV4aL9My 16:02:23
tomspiglanin Good <<MT @urbie: #chat2lrn Q6 and learning from   failure…encouraging failure-reporting (when no one else is around to see).   #chat2lrn 16:02:23
C_More_Zebras Neat. @chat2lrn: Thanks for joining #chat2lrn today! A transcript will   be posted on the blog at http://t.co/OiZgH8hs. #chat2lrn 16:02:37
megbertapelle @urbie aahh good point! well, if in lrng situation, can ask how think   each step will affect outcome, &/or let them go all the way! #chat2lrn 16:03:03
chat2lrn Tnx to @FionaQuigs 4 writing the #chat2lrn prep-blog-post this week.   http://t.co/v53N2b5c <- get in touch if u want to get involved too! 16:03:10
JudithELS RT @chat2lrn: Thanks for joining #chat2lrn today! A transcript will be   posted on the blog at http://t.co/ccOzjjdV. #chat2lrn 16:03:34
tomspiglanin Qwrap) Failure to learn from failure is the bigger failure. #chat2lrn 16:03:37
LnDDave Thanks for a great #chat2lrn folks.    David Kelly, Training Professional from NYC looking towards his next   role. Have a great day folks. 16:03:49
megbertapelle MT @olliegardener: qwrap) next time I get *that* feeling in pit of my   stomach.. try my hardest 2 …examine it.. not just bury it! #chat2lrn 16:03:58
tomspiglanin RT @chat2lrn: Tnx to @FionaQuigs 4 writing the #chat2lrn   prep-blog-post this week. http://t.co/v53N2b5c <- get in touch if u want   to get involved too! 16:04:04
chat2lrn #chat2lrn is tackling the topic of “Success” in two weeks   time. A blog or article to get the cogs moving coming soon… 16:04:09
megbertapelle RT @chat2lrn: Thanks for joining #chat2lrn today! A transcript will be   posted on the blog at http://t.co/Kwjhdq0B. #chat2lrn 16:04:25
JudithELS RT @tomspiglanin: Qwrap) Failure to learn from failure is the bigger   failure <Excellent #chat2lrn 16:04:28
olliegardener RT @chat2lrn #chat2lrn is tackling the topic of “Success” in   two weeks time. A blog or article to get the cogs moving coming soon.   #chat2lrn 16:05:00
sparkandco Thanks for letting me lurk/chat – Holly MacDonald freelancer (and dog   owner) from the far left coast of Canada – great topic #chat2lrn 16:05:06
urbie #lrnchat #chat2lrn i’ve been in the field (seriously, in a field)   doing ISD. Woke up to a coyote (the four legged fetid breath kind). Owie. 16:05:13
megbertapelle RT @chat2lrn: #chat2lrn is tackling the topic of “Success”   in two weeks time. A blog or article to get the cogs moving coming soon… 16:05:33
FionaQuigs @sparkandco: reminded valuable having black hat thinking up front   highlights blindspots, gives discussion point for failure #chat2lrn <good 16:05:36
ExpertusONE Thx for fresh/solid ideas on how to clarify terms, reframe, set   expectations & embrace failure as part of learning process. KK #chat2lrn 16:06:09
JD_Dillon RT @tomspiglanin: Qwrap) Failure to learn from failure is the bigger   failure. #chat2lrn 16:06:20
tomspiglanin @edCetraT Hi. I’m here, TweetChat not working well for me today (just   finished #chat2lrn) #innochat 16:06:37
pattishank RT @tomspiglanin: RT @chat2lrn: Tnx to @FionaQuigs 4 writing the   #chat2lrn prep-blog-post this week. http://t.co/DYDEjirp #chat2lrn 16:06:56
megbertapelle RT @JudithELS: RT @tomspiglanin: Qwrap) Failure to learn from failure   is the bigger failure <Excellent #chat2lrn 16:06:59
pattishank RT @JudithELS: RT @tomspiglanin: Qwrap) Failure to learn from failure   is the bigger failure <Excellent #chat2lrn 16:07:20
olliegardener RT @megbertapelle: RT @JudithELS: RT @tomspiglanin: Qwrap) Failure to   learn from failure is the bigger failure <Excellent #chat2lrn 16:07:28
edCetraT @tomspiglanin glad you made it.. missed #chat2lrn this week. #innochat 16:07:44
megbertapelle thanks all for a great chat today!! and thanks @FionaQuigs for leading   the topic! 🙂 #chat2lrn 16:07:48
sparkandco RT @chat2lrn: Tnx to @FionaQuigs 4 #chat2lrn prep-blog-post this week.   http://t.co/jdocCrR9 <- get in touch if u want to get involved! 16:08:13
pattishank @tomspiglanin same here Grrrrrrr
#chat2lrn
16:08:15
ExpertusONE Preach! 🙂 RT @pattishank: RT @JudithELS: RT @tomspiglanin: Qwrap)   Failure to learn from failure is the bigger failure <Excellent #chat2lrn 16:08:15
sparkandco RT @chat2lrn: #chat2lrn is tackling the topic of “Success”   in two weeks time. A blog or article to get the cogs moving coming soon… 16:08:20
JudithELS Hear, hear<RT @megbertapelle: thanks all for a great chat today!!   and thanks @FionaQuigs for leading the topic! 🙂 #chat2lrn 16:09:51
olliegardener Tnx 4 great convo during #chat2lrn today @tomspiglanin  @ZaraLynnKing @megbertapelle @ExpertusONE   @JohnKlymshyn @manage_lead 16:15:36
sparkandco RT @billycripe: Social Media Fail Turns Into IRL WIN! http://t.co/4IaLWxZJ   <love that! #chat2lrn 16:29:04
LeftyJack RT @tomspiglanin: Qwrap) Failure to learn from failure is the bigger   failure. #chat2lrn 17:12:30
BrianHoule RT @CatMoore: “Teach patterns, not absolutes” from   @FionaQuiggs. Don’t tell them; have them make mistakes and see pattern.   #chat2lrn 17:14:17
sparkandco Thinking of the relationship between motivation and failure (in   learning situs) #chat2lrn.  Did this   come up in the chat? 17:53:51
candace_regan RT @chat2lrn: One for the calendar; Smart folk, smart chat, smart   topics #chat2lrn – every 2nd Thurs 4pm GMT. Come prepared!   http://t.co/k9q7ufBl 17:56:28
ExpertusONE RT @dropthepencil Failure = critical b/c its learning what WORKS “Ive   not failed Ive just found 10,000 ways that wont work “Edison #chat2lrn 18:21:38
niallgavinuk #chat2lrn @FionaQuigs Sorry to have missed the chat today. More   important family health consultant appointment, and quality relax time after 18:27:54
pattishank RT @expertusone: <Excellent #chat2lrn <Thanks so much for your great   contributions! 01:25:01
pattishank @tomspiglanin Thanks so much for teaching me some great lessons this   morning at #chat2lrn. Had much to think about all day. 01:26:06

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