Transcript 02/02/2012 – When 2 Worlds Collide

chat2lrn Welcome to #chat2lrn! Today’s discussion is about education &   corporate learning.  When 2 Worlds   Collide http://t.co/k9q7ufBl 16:00:25
MikeCollins007 @pattishank it does seem to be much easier and hopefully will make it   easier to follow and contribute    #chat2lrn 16:00:51
pattishank Here’s tweetchat address if anyone is interested: http://t.co/h73mwQBC   #chat2lrn 16:01:10
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lesleywprice RT @chat2lrn:  #chat2lrn! Today’s   discussion is about education & corporate learning.  When 2 Worlds Collide http://t.co/oUvYg4vn   #chat2lrn 16:01:34
chet_stevenson Welcome to #chat2lrn! Today’s discussion is about education &   corporate learning.  When 2 Worlds   Collide http://t.co/R4s8SVI6 #chat2lrn 16:01:51
JudithELS RT @chat2lrn: Welcome to #chat2lrn! Today’s                               discussion is   about edu & corporate lrning. When 2 Worlds Collide http://t.co/crB2tVrG   #chat2lrn 16:01:54
chat2lrn Q0) Please introduce yourself who are you, where are you, what do you   do & what brings you here? #chat2lrn 16:01:59
Melissa_Venable RT @chat2lrn: When 2 Worlds Collide http://t.co/jv1VSxim starting now!   #chat2lrn 16:02:24
jenisecook RT @chat2lrn: Include Q number in resplies, so others can follow your   train of thought  #chat2lrn 16:02:28
pattishank pls excuse extra tweets bc of chat2lrn
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chet_stevenson RT @chat2lrn: Q0) Please introduce yourself who are you, where are   you, what do you do & what brings you here? #chat2lrn 16:02:38
owenferguson About to join #chat2lrn, there may be a tweet or two more than normal!   #chat2lrn 16:02:38
JudithELS RT @jenisecook: @JudithELS @pattishank Im ready to listen and learn on   >me too! #chat2lrn 16:02:42
MikeCollins007 RT @chet_stevenson: Im just about to join chat2lrn so please excuse   excessive tweets for the next hour > me too advance warning  #chat2lrn 16:02:43
jenisecook Q0) Learning designer and developer in #Prescott #Arizona &   @pattishank intro’d me to #chat2lrn 16:03:18
megbertapelle Q0) Meg Bertapelle, Instructional Designer @ Intuitive Surgical – goal   is to support our sales & training org the best I can! #chat2lrn 16:03:19
lesleywprice q0) Lesley Price, in London today for #learningawards do this evening   #chat2lrn 16:03:40
megbertapelle Q0) oops, I’m in Sunnyvale, CA! fogged-in 🙂 #chat2lrn 16:03:44
chet_stevenson Chester Stevenson, Performance Technologist/Grad Student at Boise   State/Trainer, Columbia, Missouri – Ready to learn! #chat2lrn 16:03:47
pattishank Q0) Patti Shank Denver, CO, USA, Learning Analyst, Here to learn from   everyone, can’t spell #chat2lrn 16:03:52
MikeCollins007 Mike Collins looking at workplace learning now and in the future, geek   with pom poms 🙂 #chat2lrn 16:03:57
owenferguson Q0) Owen Ferguson, work in product development for @goodpractice, here   to learn and share for an hour. #chat2lrn 16:03:59
Melissa_Venable Q0) Instructional designer, career advisor, blogger, living in South   Florida and new to  #chat2lrn 16:04:03
AndrewJacobsLD Q0 L&D in corporate world, London, governor at junior academy and   at a sponsored secondary academy. Looking for synergies. #chat2lrn 16:04:30
megbertapelle @pattishank hahaha – I can’t spell either 🙂 or at least I can’t type   😉 #chat2lrn 16:04:39
JudithELS Hi, Judith C-C from Warwickshire UK, passionate about all things   learning across all ages. #chat2lrn 16:04:47
chat2lrn @Melissa_Venable welcome! everyone is new to #chat2lrn as this is only   our 2nd one! 🙂 16:05:09
lesleywprice @Melissa_Venable Hi Melissa….glad you could join us! #chat2lrn 16:05:16
sparkandco Going to try out #chat2lrn, sorry for excess tweets for the next hour. 16:05:29
pattishank @megbertapelle we can be smart and not able to type/spell, right?
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niallgavinuk #chat2lrn Hi all, Niall Gavin, HR&Learning Technologies at   FirstGroup – late again – and typing unusually bad today as well… 16:05:49
KathChapman Q0) Katherine Chapman in Reading, UK, there are no simple answers for   this debate #chat2lrn 16:05:52
Melissa_Venable @chat2lrn Thank you! Just heard about it from @JudithELS 🙂  #chat2lrn 16:06:00
Melissa_Venable @lesleywprice Hi and thanks! glad to be here. #chat2lrn 16:06:22
megbertapelle @pattishank of course! creative-types are bad spellers 😉 #chat2lrn 16:06:25
sparkandco Q0 – Hi there – Holly MacDonald, freelancer – on Canada’s wild west   coast. what’s the focus of today’s discussion? #chat2lrn 16:06:32
chat2lrn Q1) What major skills gaps do you see in people coming from education   that make it hard for them to adapt to your organization? #chat2lrn 16:06:37
pattishank @sparkandco Great to see you here! #chat2lrn 16:06:57
JudithELS I like this>; RT @KathChapman: Q0) Katherine Chapman in Reading,   UK, there are no simple answers for this debate #chat2lrn 16:07:05
alc47 Nic Laycock joining a bit late. Just had great hr with@joannejacobs re   academic employment interface #Chat2lrn 16:07:11
niallgavinuk #chat2lrn 2nd tweetstorm from me today, after #ldget this morning –   it’s all good stuff, really…. 16:07:20
lesleywprice RT @chat2lrn: Q1) What major skills gaps do u see in people coming   from ed that make it hard for them to adapt to ur organization? #chat2lrn 16:07:53
jenisecook @sparkandco I sooo miss BC, Vancouver, Victoria, etc. Been craving   Jappa Dogs, too. 😉 #chat2lrn 16:07:56
pattishank Q1) What skills gaps do you see in people coming from education that   make it hard for them to adapt to your organization? #chat2lrn 16:07:59
MikeCollins007 RT @niallgavinuk: #chat2lrn 2nd tweetstorm from me today, after #ldget   this morning – its all good stuff, really…>; tweetfatigue #chat2lrn 16:08:13
JudithELS @sparkandco It’s When 2 Worlds Collide http://t.co/crB2tVrG Holly   #chat2lrn 16:08:14
sparkandco RT @jenisecook: @sparkandco I sooo miss BC, Vancouver, Victoria, etc.   Been craving Jappa Dogs, too. 😉 #chat2lrn >come visit, then! 16:08:26
megbertapelle RT @chat2lrn: Q1) What major skills gaps do u c in ppl coming from edu   that make it hard for them to adapt to your organization? #chat2lrn 16:08:42
JudithELS RT Q1) What major skills gaps do you see in people coming from   education that make it hard for them to adapt to your organization? #chat2lrn 16:08:44
jenisecook RT @chat2lrn: Q1) What major skills gaps do U C in pple coming fm ED   that make it hard for them to adapt to your organization? #chat2lrn 16:09:03
chet_stevenson Q1) What major skills gaps do you see in people coming from education   that make it hard for them to adapt to your organization? #chat2lrn 16:09:10
niallgavinuk @MikeCollins007 I’ll be as considered and considerate as I can Mike   #chat2lrn 16:09:12
jenisecook @sparkandco I’ll take you up on the invite! 🙂 #chat2lrn 16:09:31
pattishank Q1)  Not sure how to adapt to   corporate culture #chat2lrn 16:09:58
chet_stevenson Seems like in most programs students learn out of context and are   unable to apply theory to new settings. #chat2lrn 16:10:01
sparkandco Q1) biggest skill gap I have noticed is lack of critical thinking   #chat2lrn 16:10:10
jenisecook Q1) Not sure this is a skill. Ed ppl exper culture shock when first   working in corp (private sector). Diff world to them. #chat2lrn 16:10:14
niallgavinuk #chat2lrn Q1) They have higher expectations of LT than we can   currently offer them. 16:10:32
hoeghas RT @pattishank: Q1) people skills #chat2lrn 16:10:39
alc47 Q1 lack of skills in using corp systems – procedures and tech   platforms #Chat2lrn 16:10:56
megbertapelle Q1) time mgmt & prioritizing are v. hard I think for those new to   biz world from school – longer work day & not as clear direction #chat2lrn 16:10:57
Melissa_Venable RT @chet_stevenson: Seems like in most programs students learn out of   context and are unable to apply theory to new settings.  #chat2lrn 16:11:02
pattishank q1) Expect to be told how to do everything #chat2lrn 16:11:04
lesleywprice q1) Just what I was going to say….think that they have left   structure behind only to find there are still lots of rules #chat2lrn 16:11:07
owenferguson Q1) The biggest gaps for us have been ‘commercial awareness’, working   in a fast-changing environment, decisions in ambiguity #chat2lrn 16:11:07
MikeCollins007 1) still expecting to learn everything in a classroom environment   #chat2lrn 16:11:09
megbertapelle RT @sparkandco: Q1) biggest skill gap I have noticed is lack of   critical thinking #chat2lrn 16:11:11
jenisecook Q1) So true >; RT @chet_stevenson: In most programs students learn   out of context and are unable to apply theory to new settings. #chat2lrn 16:11:18
JudithELS Q1) I still see people expecting to be told what to do, instead of   finding out for themselves. #chat2lrn 16:11:47
megbertapelle RT @pattishank: q1) Expect to be told how to do everything > true,   as they have been thruout school #chat2lrn 16:11:59
AndrewJacobsLD #chat2lrn Q1 Gaps are in OUR understanding of how they have been   learning. We need to recognise social, ICT, peer to peer as wpl norms. 16:12:06
lesleywprice q1) not taught critical thinking…. so find it difficult to transfer   skills #chat2lrn 16:12:07
jenisecook Q1) They’re not used to mgmt structure and corp perf planning and   review. Very diff fm being a student, getting grades. #chat2lrn 16:12:12
pattishank RT @owenferguson: Q1) working in a fast-changing environment, decisions   in ambiguity >; say more? #chat2lrn 16:12:13
KathChapman Q1) Communication and problem solving skills – best applied (and   learned perhaps) in the workplace #chat2lrn 16:12:21
alc47 RT @pattishank: q1) Expect to be told how to do everything>; not   able to think for themselves and get things done #Chat2lrn 16:12:34
sparkandco Q1) also lack political acumen or savvy. They don’t know how to get   things done within an org #chat2lrn 16:12:41
elearningguy Sorry to be missing #chat2lrn today. Got external contractors in.   Looking fed to the summary. Qs look good! 16:12:42
megbertapelle RT @chet_stevenson: … learn out of context & r unable to apply   theory to new settings > agreed – my prob w/BEING a student too #chat2lrn 16:12:49
sparkandco RT @KathChapman: Q1) Communication and problem solving skills – best   applied (and learned perhaps) in the workplace #chat2lrn 16:13:05
Melissa_Venable RT @KathChapman: Q1) Communication and problem solving skills – best   applied (and learned perhaps) in the workplace #chat2lrn 16:13:14
lesleywprice RT @sparkandco: Q1) also lack political acumen or savvy. They dont   know how to get things done within an org > absolutely!! #chat2lrn 16:13:23
owenferguson @pattishank graduates we’ve taken on in the past are far less   comfortable with ‘not knowing everything’ than experienced employees   #chat2lrn 16:13:41
jenisecook @elearningguy We’ll def miss you! #chat2lrn 16:13:42
AndrewJacobsLD @megbertapelle #chat2lrn Isn’t that part of critical thinking? 16:13:58
MarniDunning Q0) Marni Dunning – MN State Univ Mankato – I help faculty use   technology in their classes be int online, face to face or hybrid #chat2lrn 16:14:00
JudithELS RT @AndrewJacobsLD: Q1 Gaps are in OUR understanding … need to   recognise social, ICT, peer to peer as wpl norms. >Agree #chat2lrn 16:14:09
pattishank Q1) Can someone sum up these themes? I have been trying wo luck…   #chat2lrn 16:14:26
jenisecook Q1) Also, hard for them to be in one place, a cubicle for min 8 hours.   Very used to a flexible sched and choosing where to be. #chat2lrn 16:14:56
pattishank Q) So application is a problem… #chat2lrn 16:15:06
megbertapelle Q1) also have a steep learning curve on the systems & processes   they need to use to do job – not nec. tech, but own dec. vs. boss’ #chat2lrn 16:15:32
sparkandco RT @pattishank: Q1) Can someone sum up these themes? I have been trying   wo luck… #chat2lrn>I think a lot is down to maturity + experience. 16:15:46
chet_stevenson RT @pattishank: Q1) Can someone sum up these themes?  >; Lack of communication, critical thinking,   practical application #chat2lrn 16:15:50
jenisecook Q1) “Reward” for performance in corp diff than in academia.   No one explains that to them. College shd prepare them in Biz courses   #chat2lrn 16:15:57
lesleywprice @pattishank Application, structure and culture??? #chat2lrn 16:16:15
alc47 @pattishank Seems the Over-riding theme so far is a lack of the life   skills for the workplace #Chat2lrn 16:16:18
JudithELS Q1) Is the use of learning technology also a skill gap when moving   from 1 world to the other? #chat2lrn 16:16:35
jenisecook @pattishank To sum up: Culture shock going from one “world”   to a different “world”. New lang, customs, everything. #chat2lrn 16:16:36
pattishank RT @jenisecook: Q1) hard to be in one place for 8 hours. used to a   flexible sched and choosing where to be.>;Still hard for me #chat2lrn 16:16:37
megbertapelle @AndrewJacobsLD sorry – lost the thread of your question… what is   part of critical thinking? 🙂 #chat2lrn 16:16:59
owenferguson Q1) To be honest, it’s not just application. In IT Dev and HR,   universities are teaching outdated theory. #chat2lrn 16:17:22
pattishank Q1)  SO different rewards in   school and work #chat2lrn 16:17:32
chat2lrn Q2) What role do school and universities have in readying students for   the world of work? #chat2lrn 16:17:53
hoeghas Q1) communication skills: getting used to corporate language + jargon   #chat2lrn 16:17:59
niallgavinuk #chat2lrn Q1) @JudithELS It si when they come to us and we can’t offer   the same flexibility and impose restrictions 16:18:01
alc47 Q1 but there is also an environmental issue in being in a new and   different world technologically – fish out of water #Chat2lrn 16:18:09
sparkandco Q1) missing skill is learning how to learn and adapt – that makes   shifting culture hard #chat2lrn 16:18:11
hoeghas RT @pattishank: Q1)  SO   different rewards in school and work #chat2lrn 16:18:22
MarniDunning Q1) Real world experience – no classroom can imitate that no matter   how hard you try #chat2lrn 16:18:27
pattishank RT @JudithELS: Q1) Is the use of learning technology also a skill gap   when moving from 1 world to the other?>; Def #chat2lrn 16:18:30
chet_stevenson Q2) What role do school and universities have in readying students for   the world of work? #chat2lrn 16:18:32
kategraham23 Sorry to miss #chat2lrn today. On the move so will have to catch up   with transcript later. 16:18:37
sparkandco RT @chat2lrn: Q2) What role do school and universities have in   readying students for the world of work? #chat2lrn 16:18:39
Melissa_Venable RT @pattishank: Q1) Can someone sum up these themes? I have been   trying wo luck>expectations,initiative,communication,application #chat2lrn 16:18:41
megbertapelle RT @owenferguson: Q1) …IT Dev &HR, universities are teaching   outdated theory. > that’s a prob. too – pace of change 2 fast 4 edu   #chat2lrn 16:18:46
jenisecook RT @chat2lrn: Q2) What role do school and universities have in   readying students for the world of work? #chat2lrn 16:18:48
pattishank RT @sparkandco: Q1) missing skill is learning how to learn and adapt –   that makes shifting culture hard>;SO true #chat2lrn 16:18:52
megbertapelle RT @sparkandco: Q1) missing skill is learning how to learn and adapt –   that makes shifting culture hard >> HUGE #chat2lrn 16:19:03
pattishank RT @chat2lrn: Q2) What role do school and universities have in   readying students for the world of work? #chat2lrn 16:19:13
chet_stevenson Q2: The whole purpose of schools and universities is to prepare   students for the workforce & Life. #FAIL #chat2lrn 16:19:27
JudithELS RT @chat2lrn: Q2) What role do school and universities have in   readying students for the world of work? #chat2lrn 16:19:31
owenferguson @megbertapelle Not just in education, it’s a society wide issue.   #chat2lrn 16:19:41
AndrewJacobsLD @megbertapelle #chat2lrn context and application 16:19:46
jenisecook Q2) So many diff types of work worlds. It wd B nice if every Academic   Dept prepped their students like Nursing does. Immersion! #chat2lrn 16:19:59
megbertapelle RT @MarniDunning: Q1) Real world experience – no classroom can imitate   that … > agreed, how can edu give that real wrld exp? #chat2lrn 16:20:09
Melissa_Venable Q2) integrating opportunities for career exploration, practical   experience, professional networking #chat2lrn 16:20:20
pattishank Q2) MUCH more than they’re doing now. Not fair to have new workers   drown in new jobs #chat2lrn 16:20:24
alc47 Q2 helping students with adaptive and coping skills – in some ways   they will go forward, others backwards #Chat2lrn 16:20:43
jenisecook Q2) Some colleges are much better at emphasizing internships and hours   in the world of work. Why don’t all do this?? (puzzle) #chat2lrn 16:20:47
pattishank RT @jenisecook: Q2) It wd B nice if every Academic Dept prepped their   students like Nursing does. Immersion!>;Great point. #chat2lrn 16:20:49
KimSGeorge Q1) Lack of understanding around how ppl interact in the workplace,   importance of tact & choice of language. #chat2lrn 16:20:52
hoeghas Q2) teach students that theories aren’t everything. Every day   corporate life can be much weirder than theories can predict #chat2lrn 16:20:54
pattishank RT @Melissa_Venable: Q2) integrating opportunities for career   exploration, practical experience, professional networking #chat2lrn 16:21:01
AndrewJacobsLD #chat2lrn Q2 Teach to skills not qualification; train in people and   personal skills, not process curriculum. 16:21:03
owenferguson Q2) to inspire, to prepare and to open up potential.  #chat2lrn 16:21:09
megbertapelle RT @AndrewJacobsLD: context and application > yes, absolutely   agreed those are part of critical thinking.    Not lrnd in school much #chat2lrn 16:21:10
niallgavinuk #chat2lrn Q2) My daughter doing a four year Interior Architecture   & Design course – Year Three is a work placement for the whole year! #NTU 16:21:25
MarniDunning RT @Melissa_Venable: Q2) integrating opportunities for career   exploration, practical experience, professional networking #chat2lrn 16:21:40
megbertapelle RT @jenisecook: Q2) S…wd B nice if every Academic Dept prepped their   students like Nursing does. Immersion! > internships maybe? #chat2lrn 16:21:47
pattishank q)Real world needs to be part of content/context in classroom, too   #chat2lrn 16:21:49
JudithELS Q2) How much does education really know about the world of work? This   is where the disconnect starts. #chat2lrn 16:21:54
KathChapman Q1) They can struggle with the volume of backchat and non-work   activity that forms office culture – the protocols of ‘banter’ #chat2lrn 16:22:10
jenisecook Q2) @niallgavinuk What a great school your daughter is attending!   #chat2lrn 16:22:15
AndrewJacobsLD @megbertapelle #chat2lrn Pockets of it in IT, graphics, design.  Little elsewhere. 16:22:37
MikeCollins007 RT @JudithELS: Q2) How much does education really know about the world   of work? This is where the disconnect starts. #chat2lrn 16:22:45
megbertapelle Q2) tlkd to sm1 in a twn that’s sending high school seniors out for   internships in town businesses.  Wonder   how that’s wrkg #chat2lrn 16:22:55
sparkandco RT @JudithELS: Q2) How much does education really know about the world   of work? This is where the disconnect starts. #chat2lrn >true 16:22:57
Melissa_Venable RT @owenferguson: Q2) to inspire, to prepare and to open up potential.   >- Yes! #careers #highered #jobs #chat2lrn 16:23:00
pattishank q2)Too many profs/instructors are insulated from real world #chat2lrn 16:23:00
pattishank RT @JudithELS: Q2) How much does education really know about the world   of work? This is where the disconnect starts. #chat2lrn 16:23:21
Melissa_Venable RT @JudithELS: Q2) How much does education really know about the world   of work? This is where the disconnect starts. #chat2lrn 16:23:25
jenisecook Q2) RT @hoeghas teach students that theories arent everything. Every   day corp life can be much weirder than theories can predict #chat2lrn 16:23:26
chet_stevenson Q2: My grad program is very immersive. My undergrad program was   another story. Learning in context means everything! #chat2lrn 16:23:36
hoeghas agreed  but also vice versa RT   @JudithELS: Q2) How much does edu know about the world of work? This is where   disconnect starts #chat2lrn 16:23:36
megbertapelle RT @owenferguson: Q2) to inspire, to prepare and to open up potential.   > prepare how tho? esp. when profs not out in work wrld #chat2lrn 16:24:05
megbertapelle RT @chet_stevenson: Q2: My grad program is v. immersive. My undergrad   program another story. Learning in context means everything! #chat2lrn 16:24:24
niallgavinuk RT @hoeghas: agreed but also vice versa @JudithELS: Q2) How much does   edu know about  world of work? This is   where discon starts #chat2lrn 16:24:42
alc47 Q2 @joanne Jacobs just warned me of perceived difference of objectives   academia v employment (applied v empirical) #Chat2lrn 16:24:45
owenferguson Q2) The education system needs to deliver both our scientists, artists   and sales people. Should it be trying to do it all? #chat2lrn 16:24:55
MikeCollins007 back from quick break to drop mrs collins at work, wish she could pick   her hours around  #chat2lrn 16:25:09
sparkandco MT @chet_stevenson: Q2: Learning in context means everything!   #chat2lrn >absolutely 16:25:09
JudithELS Q2) In so many cases Higher Ed is often far more on the ball than   schools! #chat2lrn 16:25:14
chat2lrn Q3) What role do orgs have in helping students coming in from schools   & universities adapt to world of work? #chat2lrn 16:25:23
sparkandco RT @chat2lrn: Q3) What role do orgs have in helping students coming in   from schools & universities adapt to world of work? #chat2lrn 16:25:34
Dave_Ferguson Q2b: Primary & secondary ed suffer in part b/c everybody & his   cousin know exactly how school should work. #chat2lrn 16:25:35
hoeghas is that true? don’t many profs also work in copanies? RT   @megbertapelle: Q2)prepare how tho? esp. when profs not out in work wrld   #chat2lrn 16:25:49
pattishank @MikeCollins007 Too funny! #chat2lrn 16:25:52
AndrewJacobsLD #chat2lrn Q2 I’m doing professional interviews with Yr 10 students in   a few weeks; need to show them what it’s really like to look for a job 16:26:21
jenisecook RT @chat2lrn: Q3) What role do orgs have in helping students coming in   from schools & universities adapt to world of work? #chat2lrn 16:26:22
chet_stevenson RT @chat2lrn: Q3) What role do orgs have in helping students coming in   from schools & universities adapt to world of work? #chat2lrn 16:26:27
KathChapman Q2) Independence, ability to interact with other people and solve   problems #chat2lrn 16:26:34
pattishank @Dave_Ferguson SO glad to see you bc I think you have a lot to offer   on this (and most) subject!
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MikeCollins007 3) provide support that actually prepares them for the role they are   going to do and manage expectations much better   #chat2lrn 16:26:57
owenferguson RT @Dave_Ferguson: … b/c everybody & his cousin know exactly how   school should work.> agree It’s the universal shared experience #chat2lrn 16:27:05
pattishank Q3) I don’t think this is a question we think about very often. Others   agree? #chat2lrn 16:27:15
Melissa_Venable Q3) sponsor internships, mentorship progs, work study opportunities >-role   of orgs helping students adapt to workplace #chat2lrn 16:27:33
JudithELS RT @AndrewJacobsLD:Q2 Im doing professional interviews with Yr 10   students; need 2 show them what its really like 2 look for a job #chat2lrn 16:27:44
megbertapelle Q2) hard 2 connect edu 2 work b/c students don’t (& shldn’t IMHO)   specialize too early. broad edu good, but need critical thkng #chat2lrn 16:27:44
pattishank q3) Does anyone do workplace “survival” training? #chat2lrn 16:27:47
niallgavinuk #chat2lrn Q3) Apprenticeships, onboarding learning programme as soon   as contract signed and before job starts, mentoring… 16:27:52
JudithELS RT @chat2lrn: Q3) What role do orgs have in helping students coming in   from schools & universities adapt to world of work? #chat2lrn 16:28:01
megbertapelle RT @niallgavinuk: #chat2lrn Q3) Apprenticeships, onboarding lrng   programme as soon as contract signed and job starts, mentoring… #chat2lrn 16:28:04
lesleywprice q3) at the moment business does not seem to have a role …and in UK   there has just they are reducing value of voc qualifications #chat2lrn 16:28:05
jenisecook Q3) RT @niallgavinuk Apprenticeships, onboarding learning programme as   soon as contract signed and job starts, mentoring… #chat2lrn 16:28:07
MarniDunning Q2) I look at it like a sport: education – the training. Career – the   race. You can prepare but a race is unknown until u do it #chat2lrn 16:28:07
Dave_Ferguson @owenferguson …the universal IMAGINED experience. #chat2lrn 16:28:26
hoeghas Q3) by treating interns as true employees as much as possible – same   benefits and duties #chat2lrn 16:28:47
sparkandco Q3) in my community, I’m involved in Connecting Generations – a high   school mentoring program, talk to kids about life/work #chat2lrn 16:28:55
jenisecook Q3) @niallgavinuk Sad thing is, ppl in orgs working overly hard now;   barely time for their own training, let alone mentoring. 😦 #chat2lrn 16:29:03
chet_stevenson Q3: If they want productive employees, they are 100% responsible for   enabling improvement in the capacity they enter with. #chat2lrn 16:29:05
pattishank RT @lesleywprice: q3) in UK there has just they are reducing value of   voc qualifications>; What do you mean? #chat2lrn 16:29:07
JudithELS RT @pattishank: Q3) I dont think this is a question we think about   very often. Others agree? >I do, still too introspective! #chat2lrn 16:29:13
megbertapelle RT @MarniDunning: Q2) I look at it like a sport: edu = training.   Career = race. You can prepare but race is unknown until u do it #chat2lrn 16:29:13
lesleywprice q3) mentoring is such a good thing…not just for youngsters but for   all new starts…every org is different
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MarniDunning RT @hoeghas: Q3) by treating interns as true employees as much as   possible – same benefits and duties #chat2lrn 16:29:24
alc47 Q3 it’s called on-boarding but most Orgs do it very badly – fail to   meet needs and engage new colleagues #Chat2lrn 16:29:28
megbertapelle RT @jenisecook: Q3) @niallgavinuk … ppl in orgs working overly hard   now; barely time for own trng, let alone mentoring. 😦 #chat2lrn 16:29:55
KathChapman Q2) Education should prepare us to cope with the unexpected, the   unplanned and the uninterested #chat2lrn 16:29:58
AndrewJacobsLD #chat2lrn Q3 Set expectations of conduct, performance, attendance   & punctuality and support people to reach these ‘new to them’ standards 16:30:13
hoeghas Onboarding not just orientation RT @jenisecook: Q3) That every org   have an orientation for new Employees fresh from college. #chat2lrn 16:30:23
niallgavinuk @jenisecook Sadly, everyone is looking over their shoulder, but so is   everyone else, so all you can see are the backs of heads! #chat2lrn 16:30:29
megbertapelle RT @alc47: Q3 …on-boarding but most Orgs do it v. badly – fail to   meet needs & engage new colleagues > yes, not engaging at all!   #chat2lrn 16:30:34
sparkandco RT @SpiritofSSI: @chat2lrn Communicating clearly,kindly, & soon   when young employees need feedback to fine-tune behaviour/actions. #chat2lrn 16:30:36
owenferguson RT @alc47: Q3 … on-boarding but most Orgs do it very badly – fail to   meet needs and engage new colleagues >    then blame uni’s #chat2lrn 16:30:43
megbertapelle RT @KathChapman: Q2) Education should prepare us to cope with the   unexpected, the unplanned and the uninterested > yes pls. #chat2lrn 16:30:49
lesleywprice @pattishank Announcement was made yesterday to take thousands off   school curric so schools focus on academic subjects #chat2lrn 16:30:50
MikeCollins007 3) change the organisation to use methods that engage and prepare   joiners on their terms rather than trying to change joiners? #chat2lrn 16:30:54
pattishank Q3)Are we going to have to change to meet THEIR expectations?   #chat2lrn 16:30:54
jenisecook Q3) Onboarding, Orientation for recent college grads needs to be a   separate session. I design onboarding progs and see the need. #chat2lrn 16:30:58
Melissa_Venable RT @KathChapman: Q2) Education should prepare us to cope with the   unexpected, the unplanned and the uninterested >-career and life #chat2lrn 16:31:16
alc47 RT @KathChapman: Q2) Education should prepare us to cope with the   unexpected, the unplanned and the uninterested>;cope is the word #Chat2lrn 16:31:17
AndrewJacobsLD @megbertapelle #chat2lrn Mentoring can be as little as an hour a   month. 16:31:25
hoeghas they call it onboarding, but it really isn’t more than orientation RT   @alc47: Q3 it’s called on-boarding but most do it very badly #Chat2lrn 16:31:36
megbertapelle RT @owenferguson: @megbertapelle many profs are. But the quality of   profs is as variable as the quality of managers. > absolutely #chat2lrn 16:31:40
Dave_Ferguson From @jaycross, one example of non-lecturey intro for new workers:   http://t.co/5JCjoqzk (grocery industry) #chat2lrn 16:31:46
pattishank RT @MikeCollins007: 3) engage and prepare joiners on their terms   rather than trying to change joiners?>;Think that’s right #chat2lrn 16:31:57
niallgavinuk RT @MikeCollins007 :change the org to use methods that engage &   prepare joiners on their terms rather than trying to change them #chat2lrn 16:32:03
sparkandco Q3) maybe there is a role for orgs to also ask newly grad hires – what   would you change #chat2lrn 16:32:07
JudithELS @niallgavinuk I see gr8 hope for apprenticeships in the UK as a means   of connecting the two worlds. #chat2lrn 16:32:09
jenisecook Q3) RT @niallgavinuk Sadly, everyone is looking over their shoulder   but so is everyone else All you see are the backs of heads! #chat2lrn 16:32:14
lesleywprice q3) its also hard for youngsters to get work placements so they have   no idea what world of work is like #chat2lrn 16:32:15
alc47 @MikeCollins007 Do orgs take the trouble to understand needs of new   people – I fear not, leave them to struggle #Chat2lrn 16:32:20
megbertapelle RT @AndrewJacobsLD: Mentoring can be as little as an hour a month. >   if it were encouraged, that’s totally doable! I’d do it! #chat2lrn 16:32:23
MikeCollins007 RT @AndrewJacobsLD: @megbertapelle #chat2lrn Mentoring can be as   little as an hour a month >; more powerful that 1 days ‘training’   #chat2lrn 16:32:23
pattishank RT @sparkandco: Q3) maybe there is a role for orgs to also ask newly   grad hires – what would you change>;Agree #chat2lrn 16:32:53
MarniDunning Q3) Train, encourage, support, guide, and listen #chat2lrn 16:32:57
alc47 @JudithELS What aspects of apprenticeship do you see as helpful?   #Chat2lrn 16:33:11
Dave_Ferguson “Onboarding,” dreadful term, too often like waterboarding   via talking heads, handouts, and doughnuts. Info dump w/ HR. #chat2lrn 16:33:36
jenisecook Q3) @lesleywprice True! Ed and Orgs need to form better partnerships   & yet w/ high unemployment, internships fall to the side. #chat2lrn 16:33:39
pattishank Q3) I think we’re trying to change them when we need to also change us   #chat2lrn 16:33:41
alc47 RT @pattishank: RT @sparkandco: Q3) maybe there is a role for orgs to   also ask newly grad hires – what would you change>;Agree>;yes #Chat2lrn 16:33:49
pattishank RT @MarniDunning: Q3) Train, encourage, support, guide, and listen   #chat2lrn 16:33:50
lesleywprice q3) my son started on a grad programme with one of big 4 Management   Consultancies 4 months ago.  He had to   work till 9 last night! #chat2lrn 16:34:11
AndrewJacobsLD @megbertapelle What blocks it? And does it have to be in work time?   I’ve mentored for an hour after work in Starbucks before now. #chat2lrn 16:34:14
megbertapelle RT @JudithELS: @niallgavinuk …apprenticeships …connecting the two   worlds. > how early do kids specialize in UK? #chat2lrn 16:34:19
MikeCollins007 3) Are we assuming good education? What about those that leave with no   higher education? Same problems or something else? #chat2lrn 16:34:27
sparkandco Q3) would be fun for them to do the “onboarding” for other   new hires, don’t you think? #chat2lrn 16:34:32
niallgavinuk RT @Dave_Ferguson: “Onboarding,” dreadful term… Info dump   w/ HR. >;>; Can be made so much more interactive via SoMe #chat2lrn 16:34:33
jenisecook Q3) Mentoring needs to be built into every employees’ Perf Plan so   that all share the coaching & “get credit” for their efforts.   #chat2lrn 16:34:41
megbertapelle RT @pattishank: Q3)…trying to change them when we need to also   change us > YES! but turning huge monolith of an org is hard 🙂 #chat2lrn 16:35:02
JudithELS RT @alc47: @JudithELS What aspects of apprenticeship do you see as   helpful? >Learning workplace skills on the job at an early age #chat2lrn 16:35:12
alc47 RT @pattishank: Q3) I think were trying to change them when we need to   also change us>; fundamental – r we prepared to change? #Chat2lrn 16:35:18
pattishank Q3) System prob needs system solns with schools, univs, mentoring, and   grads #chat2lrn 16:35:26
jenisecook Q3) @pattishank Changing an org sometimes feels like trying to turn an   aircraft carrier. 😉 #chat2lrn 16:35:31
Dave_Ferguson @niallgavinuk I don’t disagree; my optimism has been… tempered.   #chat2lrn 16:35:33
AndrewJacobsLD @MikeCollins007  @megbertapelle   #chat2lrn And, if done badly, more damaging than 2 years career. 16:35:37
chet_stevenson @pattishank were trying to change them when we need to also change us >;   True, too often we try to change people to fit the system. #chat2lrn 16:35:39
sparkandco RT @pattishank: Q3) System prob needs system solns with schools,   univs, mentoring, and grads #chat2lrn 16:35:44
MikeCollins007 @jenisecook Mentoring needs to be built into every employees’ Perf   Plan >; have everyone as a coach would drive a great culture no? #chat2lrn 16:35:47
lesleywprice q3) does anybody know of an organisation that sets up SoMe groups for   new joiners
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hoeghas Q3) stop hiring interns and start employing. In France many orgs hire   interns just so they don’t have to pay full salary+benefits #chat2lrn 16:35:58
megbertapelle RT jenisecook Q3) Mentoring …built into every Perf Plan so all share   coaching & “get credit” for their efforts. > good plan   #chat2lrn 16:36:03
niallgavinuk RT @lesleywprice: q3) does anybody know of an organisation that sets   up SoMe groups for new joiners
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jenisecook Q3) @niallgavinuk I’m enjoying your #chat2lrn tweets today! You have a   lot of insight. 🙂 Pithy statements, too! #chat2lrn 16:36:29
JudithELS @megbertapelle I think some can start as early as 16 years on   apprenticeships. #chat2lrn 16:36:43
MikeCollins007 RT @niallgavinuk: RT @lesleywprice: q3) does anybody know of an   organisation that sets up SoMe groups for new joiners >; Sky #chat2lrn 16:36:53
Dave_Ferguson @MikeCollins007 Not everyone’s suited to coach (not everyone’s   willing, either).  #chat2lrn 16:37:00
megbertapelle RT @JudithELS: RT @alc47: @JudithELS …aspects of apprenticeship see   as helpful? >lrng wrkplc skills on the job at an early age #chat2lrn 16:37:11
niallgavinuk RT @lesleywprice: q3) anybody know of an organisation that sets up   SoMe groups for new joiners? >;>; We’ve used #facebook 4 grads
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chet_stevenson Q3: We’re facing a systemic issue. We can’t solve the problem by only   focusing on one part of the system. #chat2lrn 16:37:13
KathChapman Q3) It should be about transition and welcoming diversity not a power   game which says ‘be more like us’ immediately. #chat2lrn 16:37:15
jenisecook Q3) And, it all starts at the C Level, & w/ Board of Directors.   Trickle down to mgmt, supvs, line. Holistic culture of mentoring. #chat2lrn 16:37:25
lesleywprice RT @jenisecook Q3) @niallgavinuk Im enjoying your #chat2lrn tweets   today! You have a lot of insight. 🙂 Pithy statements, too! #chat2lrn 16:37:27
Rsuominen 🙂 @Dave_Ferguson Primary & secondary ed suffer in part b/c   everybody & his cousin know exactly how school should work. #chat2lrn 16:37:30
JudithELS RT @lesleywprice: q3) does anybody know of an organisation that sets   up SoMe groups for new joiners >Good Q! #chat2lrn 16:37:36
pattishank RT @Dave_Ferguson: @MikeCollins007 Not everyones suited to coach (not   everyones willing, either). >;TRUE #chat2lrn 16:37:45
megbertapelle @JudithELS that’s not bad, I was thinking it was earlier 🙂 #chat2lrn 16:37:52
olliegardener Hello all. Joining in late. catching up with tweets 🙂
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Dave_Ferguson Coaching/mentoring is a skill (or set); need to ID what’s involved,   help people get good at it, not just slap the title on. #chat2lrn 16:38:12
MikeCollins007 @Dave_Ferguson it depends on what you mean by coach, everyone has the   ability to help others…. #chat2lrn 16:38:28
niallgavinuk @jenisecook Very kind thankyou. I try to call it as I see it and hope   it adds value. #chat2lrn 16:38:30
jenisecook Q3) @Dave_Ferguson True, re: coaching. But, they do need to learn to   “share” in the corp “playground”. 😉  #chat2lrn 16:38:41
AndrewJacobsLD @JudithELS @alc47 #chat2lrn What wpl skills? My son wants to be a   record producer – good IT skills won’t make that happen. 16:38:50
megbertapelle @JudithELS try @markbritz – he launched Yammer at his org, & I   think there’s a new-hire grp #chat2lrn 16:38:50
chat2lrn Q4) What does the world of education need to do to encourage the   learning needed for success in the workplace? #chat2lrn 16:39:04
lesleywprice RT @Rsuominen:) @Dave_Ferguson Primary & secondary ed everybody   know exactly how school should work> I’m a celeb I’ll fix it for u   #chat2lrn 16:39:07
niallgavinuk @lesleywprice Thanks Lesley #chat2lrn 16:39:18
chet_stevenson @lesleywprice: q3) does anybody know of an organisation that sets up   SoMe groups for new joiners > Sun was, AT&T I believe. #chat2lrn 16:39:22
JudithELS RT @Dave_Ferguson: Coaching/mentoring is a skill (or set); need to ID   whats involved, help people get good at it … #chat2lrn 16:39:34
olliegardener @JudithELS I know of several – mostly smaller companies strangely   enough..
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bbetts @lesleywprice Yep, we’ve setup systems for a couple organisations to   bring the social to online onboarding #chat2lrn 16:40:17
JudithELS RT @megbertapelle: @JudithELS try @markbritz – he launched Yammer at   his org, & I think theres a new-hire grp >Thanks. #chat2lrn 16:40:26
olliegardener RT @chat2lrn: Q4) What does the world of education need to do to   encourage the learning needed for success in the workplace? #chat2lrn 16:40:26
alc47 Q4 find out what world of work is about and what people need – then   facilitate it #Chat2lrn 16:40:27
lesleywprice RT @chat2lrn: Q4) What does the world of education need to do to   encourage the learning needed for success in the workplace? #chat2lrn 16:40:29
Dave_Ferguson @lesleywprice I’m a [ celebrity | politician | millionaire | CEO ], so   I know JUST how to fix your school. #chat2lrn 16:40:33
chet_stevenson RT @chat2lrn: Q4) What does the world of education need to do to   encourage the learning needed for success in the workplace? #chat2lrn 16:40:37
jenisecook Q3) @AndrewJacobsLD For record producer…sit in on sessions w/ proven   producer. Watch, learn, be trained on best skills. #chat2lrn 16:40:45
pattishank @bbetts Would love to hear about that #chat2lrn 16:40:58
jenisecook RT @chat2lrn: Q4) What does the world of education need to do to   encourage the learning needed for success in the workplace? #chat2lrn 16:41:10
lesleywprice @chet_stevenson Tks I’ll do some digging 🙂 #chat2lrn 16:41:12
megbertapelle RT @MikeCollins007: 3) R we assuming good edu? What abt those that   leave w/no higher edu? Same problems or smthg else? > good Q #chat2lrn 16:41:15
janet_frg @Dave_Ferguson @olliegardener    clearly I’m behind the times – #chat2lrn?  New tweetchat? 16:41:18
niallgavinuk #chat2lrn Q4) That’s kinda a one-way street’ isn’t it?  Shouldn’t business met academia half way? 16:41:28
lesleywprice @bbetts Tks Ben….must chat to you about that  #chat2lrn 16:41:32
alc47 Q4 ensure a consistency of platforms between ed and emp #Chat2lrn 16:41:33
sparkandco RT @niallgavinuk: #chat2lrn Q4) That’s kinda a one-way street’ isn’t   it?  Shouldn’t business met academia   half way? 16:41:43
pattishank q4) Learn how to find answers at the moment of need #chat2lrn 16:41:44
chet_stevenson Q4: Each program should align with industry best practices, & give   students the opportunity to apply what they learn. #chat2lrn 16:41:46
owenferguson @Dave_Ferguson or “I’ve been to school/uni, so everyone’s   experience must have been similar” 🙂 #chat2lrn 16:41:52
megbertapelle RT @chat2lrn: Q4) What does the world of education need to do to   encourage the learning needed for success in the workplace? #chat2lrn 16:41:56
jenisecook Q4) Presidents and Academic Deans need to meet w/ key employers in   their locales and listen, learn, create partnerships. #chat2lrn 16:41:57
JudithELS RT @chat2lrn: Q4) What does the world of education need to do to   encourage the learning needed for success in the workplace? #chat2lrn 16:41:59
lesleywprice RT @Dave_Ferguson:  Im a [   celebrity | politician | millionaire | CEO ], so I know JUST how to fix your   school. > lol!! #chat2lrn 16:42:06
AndrewJacobsLD @jenisecook #chat2lrn But school can’t provide that – lack of   contacts, committment, budget. So we set it up for him as parents. 16:42:18
watfordgap @lesleywprice Q4 Make it relevant and Fun! (hello – after mix up y’day   and lateness today!) #chat2lrn 16:42:18
KathChapman Q3) Lots of corp LinkedIn Groups – need to ensure good digital citizen   skills are shared between newbies and established workforce #chat2lrn 16:42:27
megbertapelle RT @niallgavinuk: #chat2lrn Q4)…Shouldnt business met academia half   way? > yes, IMHO both shld work to connect #chat2lrn 16:42:35
JudithELS RT @alc47: Q4 find out what world of work is about and what people   need – then facilitate it >Couldn’t agree more. #chat2lrn 16:42:40
pattishank Q4) I think this is a skill that takes a long time so it needs to be   taught over a long time… thus, education #chat2lrn 16:42:40
Melissa_Venable Q4) Collaboration across academic departments and available support   services- advising, career centers, alumni orgs…  #chat2lrn 16:42:43
alc47 @megbertapelle Q3 problems are the same – just appear in different   ways – sense of belonging- ability to function etc #Chat2lrn 16:42:44
bbetts @chat2lrn imo, education needs to prepare people how to learn, how to   question and how to synthesise info #chat2lrn 16:42:50
jenisecook @bbetts Yes, please tell us more (blog post?) re: social and   onboarding that you’ve done at your org. #chat2lrn 16:42:50
owenferguson Q4) Education and business need agree where the responsibility lies –   it’s pretty clear for medical schools and hospitals #chat2lrn 16:42:59
olliegardener @janet_frg more info on: http://t.co/pK9MujCK every 2nd thurs ->;   join in 🙂 #chat2lrn 16:43:01
lesleywprice q4)  I would love to see some   consistency of platforms…..it would allow a two way conversation #chat2lrn 16:43:03
Dave_Ferguson @owenferguson When *I* was your age, I stayed off people’s lawns.   #chat2lrn 16:43:04
niallgavinuk #chat2lrn Q4) My son’s struggling w/ the transition from lower school   to 6th form coll. at 16/17 already! Maybe we force it on them 2 early? 16:43:21
pattishank Q4) Connect with others to find and share info #chat2lrn 16:43:22
AndrewJacobsLD #chat2lrn Q4 Recognise that qualifications are not the be all and end   all of a students learning. 16:43:26
jenisecook @AndrewJacobsLD You’re awesome. But schools must at least make the   contacts. #chat2lrn 16:43:31
olliegardener q4) Realise that collaboration is a good thing ->;  a skill to be honed and encouraged, not   punished #chat2lrn #chat2lrn 16:43:37
megbertapelle RT @Melissa_Venable: Q4) Collaboration across academic depts &   avail support services- advising, career centers, alumni orgs…  #chat2lrn 16:43:39
bbetts eeek #chat2lrn, we’ve an approach which gets new joiners contributing   back to the portal, thoughts, opinions, ideas, as they progress 16:43:58
lesleywprice RT @bbetts @chat2lrn education needs to prepare people how to learn   how to question and how to synthesise info > critical thinking #chat2lrn 16:44:05
MikeCollins007 Q4) the importance of a mixed and varied network and what a PLN means!   #chat2lrn 16:44:09
bbetts RT @AndrewJacobsLD: #chat2lrn Q4 Recognise that qualifications are not   the be all and end all of a students learning. 16:44:16
AndrewJacobsLD @lesleywprice #chat2lrn That would require consistency of platforms in   education…oh my sides. 16:44:23
KathChapman @andytedd A clash of conversations. Perfect example. Come and join us   at #chat2lrn 16:44:28
jenisecook Q4) RT @bbetts imo, education needs to prepare people how to learn,   how to question and how to synthesise info>> Need to apply too   #chat2lrn 16:44:38
FionaQuigs Q4) We need to put statutory measures in place IMHO e.g. in Ireland,   government is giving free uni places to long-term unemployed #chat2lrn 16:44:45
megbertapelle RT @owenferguson: Q4) Edu & biz need agree where rspnsbty lies –   its pretty clear for med schools & hospitals > I thk prtnrshp   #chat2lrn 16:44:48
alc47 @megbertapelle Any good ideas on how to break the silos – seems to be   an inter and intra issue also ed v emp #Chat2lrn 16:45:08
megbertapelle RT @AndrewJacobsLD: @lesleywprice #chat2lrn That would require   consistency of platforms in education…oh my sides. > LOL too true   #chat2lrn 16:45:11
pattishank RT @bbetts: RT @AndrewJacobsLD: #chat2lrn Q4 Recognise that   qualifications are not the be all and end all of a students learning.   #chat2lrn 16:45:14
AndrewJacobsLD @jenisecook #chat2lrn They don’t know how – they’re geared to move   students to the next education level…GRADES MATTER MORE! 16:45:26
bbetts @lesleywprice exactly.    #chat2lrn.  The ability to use   your brain effectively can’t be outsourced (yet) 16:45:31
jenisecook Q4) Critical thinking to be taught all thu curriculum, but Ed still   needs to set up scenarios for application. #chat2lrn 16:45:35
pattishank RT @bbetts: eeek #chat2lrn, approach gets new joiners contributing   back to the portal, thoughts, opinions, ideas, as they progress #chat2lrn 16:45:43
chet_stevenson Q4: Find a way to evaluate programs based on how their students do   post graduation (Level 3) vs how they do on Level 2 evaluations #chat2lrn 16:45:44
alc47 @megbertapelle How does partnership happen in yr sector? #Chat2lrn 16:45:56
lesleywprice q4) oh dear we are not saying the dreaded ‘c’ word are   we….consistency, my goodness what a novel idea lol! #chat2lrn 16:45:56
sparkandco Sorry #chat2lrn, gotta go – thanks for the insight today, see you in a   couple of weeks. 16:45:57
alc47 RT @bbetts: @lesleywprice exactly.    #chat2lrn.  The ability to use   your brain effectively cant be outsourced (yet) >; Or ever! #Chat2lrn 16:46:30
MikeCollins007 Q4) That Facebook is a tool that can be used for more things than   ‘poking’ 😉 #chat2lrn 16:46:47
pattishank @sparkandco Thx for insights… great! #chat2lrn 16:46:55
MarniDunning q4) have classes where they hire adjunct faculty that work in these   businesses day to day #chat2lrn 16:47:06
pattishank @chet_stevenson great idea! #chat2lrn 16:47:11
AndrewJacobsLD @niallgavinuk  #chat2lrn Forced   choice at 14/15 to identify options that may form their work career is wrong. 16:47:13
megbertapelle @alc47  connecting   cross-functional teams wrks well, but hard to prioritize those projs over   std. We try, good to be more agile #chat2lrn 16:47:16
bbetts @alc47 Give it a couple years Nick, with a bit of luck we can upload   your brain to #chat2lrn 🙂 16:47:18
JudithELS See you next time>; RT @sparkandco: Sorry #chat2lrn, gotta go –   thanks for the insight today, see you in a couple of weeks. #chat2lrn 16:47:20
lesleywprice RT @MikeCollins007: Q4) That Facebook is a tool that can be used for   more things than poking 😉 > FB groups are great! #chat2lrn 16:47:37
niallgavinuk RT @MikeCollins007: Q4) That Facebook is a tool that can be used for   more things than ‘poking’ >;>; That was worth a RT just itself.   #chat2lrn 16:47:39
jenisecook Q4) RT @MarniDunning have classes where they hire adjunct faculty that   work in these businesses day to day #chat2lrn 16:47:51
KathChapman Q4) Sorry attention deficit and minor technical failure. What was Q4?   #chat2lrn 16:48:13
pattishank RT @olliegardener: q4) Realise that collaboration is a good thing ->;  a skill to be honed and encouraged, not   punished #chat2lrn #chat2lrn 16:48:32
megbertapelle @alc47 partnership on a project w/in the org, we also partner w/kids   in science/robotics orgs – do events & tours of facility. #chat2lrn 16:48:38
FionaQuigs Q4) APL needs to work better – how to use work experience as academic   recognition & have more open ways of gaining recognition #chat2lrn 16:48:52
alc47 RT @bbetts: @alc47 Give it time Nick, with a bit of luck we can upload   yr brain to #chat2lrn >; never! Re Lanier last week at LT12 #Chat2lrn 16:49:01
jenisecook Q4) RT @chet_stevenson Find way to eval progs based on how students do   post graduation (Level 3) vs how they do on Level 2 evals #chat2lrn 16:49:08
Melissa_Venable @MarniDunning My favorite professors (input,feedback,approach) always   seemed to come w/industry b’ground/experience #chat2lrn 16:49:12
chat2lrn @KathChapman Q4) What does the world of education need to do to encourage   the learning needed for success in the workplace? 🙂 #chat2lrn 16:49:13
JudithELS @KathChapman Q4) What does the world of education need to do to   encourage the learning needed for success in the workplace? #chat2lrn 16:49:26
lesleywprice @watfordgap Hi…..no worries 🙂 #chat2lrn 16:49:31
chat2lrn Q5) How are current economic realities in both worlds exacerbating   these problems?  #chat2lrn 16:49:37
niallgavinuk RT @timbuckteeth: Crossing borders: Reflections on two learning tech   conferences http://t.co/ZbAEE00A #lwf12 #lt12uk >;>; Relevant!   #chat2lrn 16:49:45
chet_stevenson RT @chat2lrn: Q5) How are current economic realities in both worlds   exacerbating these problems?  #chat2lrn 16:50:13
AndrewJacobsLD @pattishank @olliegardener In some education collaboration is   ‘cheating’. #chat2lrn 16:50:17
jenisecook RT @chat2lrn: Q5) How are current economic realities in both worlds   exacerbating these problems?  #chat2lrn 16:50:27
pattishank RT @chat2lrn: Q5) How are current economic realities in both worlds   exacerbating these problems?  #chat2lrn 16:50:32
lesleywprice RT @FionaQuigs: Q4) APL needs to work better – > couldn’t agree   more!!! #chat2lrn 16:50:34
MarniDunning @Melissa_Venable I agree! Experts in the field are wonderful educators   #chat2lrn 16:50:34
megbertapelle @alc47 I think some groups do internships as well – I know legal does,   and wonder if engineering does.  Thk   it’s only college tho #chat2lrn 16:50:46
owenferguson Q4) don’t new joiners need to understand that most of their colleagues   don’t use social media for work yet? #chat2lrn 16:51:00
pattishank RT @AndrewJacobsLD: @pattishank @olliegardener In some education   collaboration is cheating.>;EXACTLY!!! #chat2lrn 16:51:00
FionaQuigs Q4 ) All academics must spend 1 month per year actually working in   industry #chat2lrn 16:51:02
jenisecook Q5) Lack of funds, budget to do innovative programs, little money for   R&D. #chat2lrn 16:51:05
2Elearning RT @pattishank: RT @chat2lrn: Q5) How are current economic realities   in both worlds exacerbating these problems?    #chat2lrn 16:51:18
lesleywprice RT @chat2lrn: Q5) How are current economic realities in both worlds   exacerbating these problems?  #chat2lrn 16:51:18
chet_stevenson Q5: W/ all the free technology we have these days I suspect the   problem is not related to the economy, but in processes & Motives   #chat2lrn 16:51:35
bbetts @jenisecook I think lack of money can be a real driver of innovation,   just gotta stop asking for $$$ and do it!    #chat2lrn 16:51:40
MikeCollins007 5) both need to still provide quality output but on a shoe string   budget with shortage of capabilities #workcutout #chat2lrn 16:52:06
lesleywprice q5) because they continue to think that they are worlds   apart….learning is learning #chat2lrn 16:52:09
alc47 Q4 Ed needs to market some of the grt stuff it is doing with kids to   emp – take a tech lead #Chat2lrn 16:52:25
AndrewJacobsLD #chat2lrn Q5 If orgs can’t fund their own development, how can they   justify funding future development of students they may never employ? 16:52:32
KathChapman Q4) Thinking, analysis, research, and listening skills and forget   searching for the perfect answer or solution #chat2lrn 16:52:32
2Elearning A5)Recession = lack of funds makes priorities shift in education and   in the workplace. Need to re-sync, refocus and relocate $. #chat2lrn 16:52:39
MikeCollins007 RT @bbetts: @jenisecook I think lack of money can be a real driver of   innovation, just gotta stop asking for $$$ and do it! >;YES! #chat2lrn 16:52:45
bbetts RT @chat2lrn I think accrediting bodies have a real strangle hold on   edu, and they are making things much worse bc of budget cuts #chat2lrn 16:52:46
JudithELS RT @bbetts: @jenisecook I think lack of money can be a real driver of   innovation, just gotta stop asking for $$$ and do it! >Yes #chat2lrn 16:52:46
hoeghas agreed RT @bbetts: @jenisecook I think lack of money can be a real   driver of innovation, just gotta stop asking for $$ and do it!  #chat2lrn 16:52:52
Melissa_Venable 🙂 Applied experience can be helpful! RT @FionaQuigs: Q4 ) All   academics must spend 1 month per year actually working in industry #chat2lrn 16:52:55
FionaQuigs Q5) I think there is more of an incentive to collaborate now – so its   a good thing 🙂 #chat2lrn 16:53:30
alc47 Q5 they are a mask – talking to one another to work to a common aim   costs nothing – the rest will follow #Chat2lrn 16:53:35
megbertapelle RT @chat2lrn: Q5) How are current economic realities in both worlds   exacerbating these problems?  #chat2lrn 16:53:47
owenferguson Q5) Uni’s that have a track record of getting people jobs will get the   students. When it gets tough, people flock to what works. #chat2lrn 16:54:08
olliegardener q4) My old primary threw away the bell & trad notion of classes.   Required bravery & trust – more than money! #chat2lrn #chat2lrn 16:54:29
MikeCollins007 RT @FionaQuigs: Q5) I think there is more of an incentive to   collaborate now – so its a good thing 🙂 >; should be a core skill!   #chat2lrn 16:54:35
olliegardener RT @megbertapelle: @niallgavinuk Forced at 14/15 to ID work career is   wrong. > tru, still dont knw what want 2b when grow up 🙂 #chat2lrn 16:55:00
AndrewJacobsLD #chat2lrn @chat2lrn How many students were invited to this chat? 16:55:04
alc47 RT @FionaQuigs: Q5) I think there is more of an incentive to collaborate   now – so its a good thing :)Totally agree #Chat2lrn 16:55:08
owenferguson Q5) we’re already seeing some of the less practical degrees being   culled. some of that is a shame, some courses were pointless #chat2lrn 16:55:08
pattishank q5) Do young people feel that older folks are hoarding their jobs?   #chat2lrn 16:55:11
hoeghas Q5) lack of funds means having to put in place a strategy that is   aligned with overall business objectives #chat2lrn 16:55:15
megbertapelle RT @AndrewJacobsLD: Q5 orgs cant fund own dev, how can justify funding   future dev of students may never employ? > pure research 2 #chat2lrn 16:55:24
niallgavinuk RT @AndrewJacobsLD: #chat2lrn @chat2lrn How many students were invited   to this chat? >;>; Bang on! 16:55:31
Canisp @chat2lrn #chat2lrn Q5 employers must be encouraged to offered more   apprenticeships, across all services + funded to do so 16:55:40
2Elearning RT @hoeghas: Q5) lack of funds means having to put in place a strategy   that is aligned with overall business objectives #chat2lrn 16:56:12
alc47 @AndrewJacobsLD How many students have heard of Twitter chats – whose   problem is that? #Chat2lrn 16:56:16
hoeghas very good Q – crux of the problem? RT @AndrewJacobsLD: #chat2lrn How   many students were invited to this chat? 16:56:20
KimSGeorge Sigh. I had such good intentions to join in with #chat2lrn this week   but TweetDeck is failing me! 16:56:20
KathChapman Q5) Economic pressures mean less acceptance of any degree of failure   and people less tolerant of others asking for help #chat2lrn 16:56:32
lesleywprice @AndrewJacobsLD I don’t know any who use twitter…my own kids and   their mates are not interested…say its for oldies #chat2lrn 16:56:37
megbertapelle @KimSGeorge try http://t.co/SmbOYuKK! #chat2lrn 16:57:09
alc47 @KimSGeorge Use Tweetchat – works much better #Chat2lrn 16:57:22
JudithELS @KimSGeorge Try TweetChat next time, it always works for me. #chat2lrn 16:57:22
lesleywprice @KimSGeorge never mind….you have dress choices to make lol!! #chat2lrn 16:57:32
olliegardener @KimSGeorge try tweetchat instead. has been (slightly) more reliable   to me.  #chat2lrn 16:57:39
niallgavinuk RT @KathChapman: Q5) Economic pressures mean less acceptance of   …failure and less tolerance of others asking for help >;>; Ouch!   #chat2lrn 16:57:46
pattishank @KimSGeorge Try shut down and restart. HAd probs and that helped.   #chat2lrn 16:58:06
AndrewJacobsLD @alc47 #Chat2lrn Education – http://t.co/XDw5orO7 16:58:14
megbertapelle RT @KathChapman: Q5…less acceptance of … failure &ppl less   tolerant of others asking for help > stress leads to irratibility   #chat2lrn 16:58:19
olliegardener RT @alc47: @AndrewJacobsLD How many students have heard of Twitter   chats – whose problem is that? #chat2lrn 16:58:20
Canisp @lesleywprice @AndrewJacobsLD most of my teenagers friends use Twitter   thinking it is the IN thing – leaving Fb behind #chat2lrn 16:58:32
jenisecook @bbetts K-12 teachers who excel spend their own $$s on supplies. But,   there’s a limit to how much one can spend & innovate. 😦 #chat2lrn 16:58:32
AndrewJacobsLD @lesleywprice  #chat2lrn How   many UK teachers use it for professional dev? Would role modelling it in   education help? 16:59:11
pattishank @AndrewJacobsLD THX! #chat2lrn 16:59:12
chat2lrn QWrap) Chatting is great…but reflection and action are better. What is   your ‘take away’from our chat?    #chat2lrn 16:59:19
lesleywprice RT @niallgavinuk: @KathChapman: Q5) Economic pres less acceptance of   failure and less tolerance of others asking for help >;>; Ouch!   #chat2lrn 16:59:30
jenisecook Q5) RT @owenferguson Unis w/ track record of getting people jobs get   the students. When it gets tough, people flock to what works. #chat2lrn 16:59:42
jenisecook RT @chat2lrn: QWrap) Chatting is great…but reflection and action are   better. What is your ‘take away’from our chat?  #chat2lrn 16:59:56
lesleywprice RT @chat2lrn: QWrap) Chatting is great…but reflection and action are   better. What is your ‘take away’from our chat?  #chat2lrn 17:00:00
megbertapelle RT @olliegardener: RT @alc47: @AndrewJacobsLD How many students have   heard of Twitter chats – whose problem is that? #chat2lrn 17:00:09
niallgavinuk RT @chat2lrn: QWrap) Chatting is great…but reflection and action are   better. What is your ‘take away’from our chat?  #chat2lrn 17:00:11
megbertapelle RT @chat2lrn: QWrap) Chatting is great…but reflection and action are   better. What is your ‘take away’from our chat?  #chat2lrn 17:00:19
chet_stevenson Q5: Education and Corporations can communicate if they really want to.   I don’t see the economy being a big factor in this. #chat2lrn 17:00:24
JudithELS RT @chat2lrn: QWrap) Chatting is great…but reflection and action are   better. What is your ‘take away’from our chat?  #chat2lrn 17:00:28
jenisecook QWrap) When I design learning, I will ask clients abt their recent   college grad new hires; what can we provide for them. #chat2lrn 17:00:37
chet_stevenson RT @chat2lrn: QWrap) Chatting is great…but reflection and action are   better. What is your ‘take away’from our chat?  #chat2lrn 17:00:40
Dave_Ferguson Wrap: as with any Twitter chat, this one’s a quick exposure to   viewpoints, possible links. An opportunity grab-bag. #chat2lrn 17:00:42
pattishank QWrap) We need to help those new to workforce #chat2lrn 17:01:02
AndrewJacobsLD #chat2lrn QWrap Have a meeting on Mon with an ICT teacher to develop   their VLE – will show them this chat stream. 17:01:26
megbertapelle Qwrap) I think I want to encourage more mentoring in our   group…suggest intern? 🙂 lead the charge for partnership w/edu! #chat2lrn 17:01:31
alc47 Qwrap It has nothing to do with academics it’s about lifeskills   #Chat2lrn 17:01:41
Dave_Ferguson Follow-ups for me: favorite links to follow up; start following   someone on Twitter; check blogs & sites. #chat2lrn 17:01:46
JudithELS QWrap) Collaboration, collaboration & collaboration between the 2   worlds! #chat2lrn 17:01:48
megbertapelle RT @jenisecook: QWrap) When I design lrng, will ask clients abt their   recent college grad new hires; what can we provide for them. #chat2lrn 17:01:53
lesleywprice @chet_stevenson I think economic pressure affects time in corps and   academic performance tables cuts time in edu #chat2lrn 17:01:54
MarniDunning Thanks for a great #chat2lrn! Learned a great deal – thanks for the   insight 🙂 17:02:18
pattishank QWrap) Ask new workers what they need #chat2lrn 17:02:19
jenisecook QWrap) 15 Skills Recent College Grads Need (article):   http://t.co/nYgjjmg6 #chat2lrn 17:02:26
megbertapelle @AndrewJacobsLD you may want to summarize for them 😉  #chat2lrn 17:02:29
olliegardener QWrap) Came in late, but would be interested to see if there is a   similar discussion in Norway btw ind & edu.  #chat2lrn 17:02:32
JudithELS RT @AndrewJacobsLD: QWrap Have a meeting on Mon with an ICT teacher to   develop their VLE – will show them this chat stream. >Ace! #chat2lrn 17:02:39
TracyDempsey Just discovered this; sorry to have missed it! I’m a coach & think   if kids were taught critical thinking/healthy optimism & (cont) #chat2lrn 17:02:44
AndrewJacobsLD @megbertapelle Thank you! Let us know what happens. #chat2lrn 17:02:46
pattishank Qwrap) I found new folks to follow from this chat #chat2lrn 17:02:57
KathChapman Q5) But downturns encourage enrepreneurs. We can influence change in   our own orgs and and get involved in the education debate #chat2lrn 17:03:11
Melissa_Venable QWrap) Communication, cooperation required. Edu and Business not   always aligned. Practical exper. for students/new hires critical #chat2lrn 17:03:15
Dave_Ferguson @lesleywprice Economic pressure’s affecting schools as well. My county   ed budget: $2 billion. $1.4 is salary. #chat2lrn 17:03:27
lesleywprice qwrap) there is a divide but I think we look for differences rather than   similarities #chat2lrn 17:03:46
jenisecook QWrap) One of the best tweetchat discussions ever! Has given me lots   of food for thought and application. #chat2lrn 17:03:48
Melissa_Venable me, too! 🙂 RT @pattishank: Qwrap) I found new folks to follow from   this chat #careers #work #highered #chat2lrn 17:03:56
TracyDempsey (cont) creativity skills for solution/ideas gen’n, the world would be   v different! So many ppl come to me ‘stuck’, & quickly get #chat2lrn 17:04:01
MarniDunning RT @pattishank: Qwrap) I found new folks to follow from this chat   #chat2lrn 17:04:09
owenferguson QWrap) The business/education debate is like the ‘Two Cultures’   relationship. Eternal and ever changing. Glad it’s still going on. #chat2lrn 17:04:11
chat2lrn We are at an end, but don’t fret. Let’s continue the conversation   online: http://t.co/KV4aL9My     #chat2lrn 17:04:26
niallgavinuk #chat2lrn QWrap) Mulling… 17:04:28
AndrewJacobsLD #chat2lrn Going in as a governor to highlight how it could work to   their advantage. Get 1 advocate and you can change a school. 17:04:30
TracyDempsey (cont) unstuck when we look at ‘what ideas can you come up with, who   can help’ & critically evaluate assumptions & ideas, seek +ve   #chat2lrn 17:04:34
pattishank Thanks everyone… REALLY great chat. Learned a LOT. #chat2lrn 17:04:46
lesleywprice RT @Dave_Ferguson: Economic pressures affecting schools as well. My   county ed budget: $2 billion. $1.4 is salary. wow!!! #chat2lrn 17:04:50
FionaQuigs @lesleywprice: qwrap) there is a divide but I think we look for   differences rather than similarities #chat2lrn >;Yes! 17:05:03
KathChapman Qwrap) Be the ‘agent for change’…#chat2lrn 17:05:07
lesleywprice RT @KathChapman: Qwrap) Be the agent for change…#chat2lrn >nice   one!! #chat2lrn 17:05:57
jenisecook Me, too! I’m logging off now. Will read transcript. RT @pattishank:   Thanks everyone… REALLY great chat. Learned a LOT. #chat2lrn 17:06:28
TracyDempsey PS I asked Sir Ken R about change in schools (I’ve worked w/teachers on   stress mgmt); he said heads had more power than they use – #chat2lrn 17:06:29
MikeCollins007 RT @KathChapman: Qwrap) Be the agent for change…#chat2lrn #chat2lrn 17:06:40
olliegardener Tnx all.. sorry I couldnt have joined you guys earlier 🙂 Have a great   night everyone! #chat2lrn 17:06:41
chet_stevenson @lesleywprice True but this gap existed LONG b4 the recession. It may   be a constraint, but it’s not the root cause of the problem #chat2lrn 17:06:44
JudithELS Thanks to everyone, lots to think about here: can’t wait for the   transcript, etc. #chat2lrn 17:06:55
TracyDempsey (cont) eg for changing length of lessons etc. We should be finding   ‘bright spots’ & spreading awareness for replication! #chat2lrn 17:07:11
owenferguson Thanks for a stimulating chat, folks.    #chat2lrn 17:07:24
megbertapelle RT @owenferguson: QWrap) The business/education debate is like Two   Cultures relationship. Eternal &ever changing. Glad still going #chat2lrn 17:07:34
niallgavinuk #chat2lrn Another goodie – thanks everyone.  Still mulling… 17:07:47
pattishank RT @chet_stevenson: @lesleywprice gap existed LONG b4 the recession.   may be constraint, but its not the root cause of the problem #chat2lrn 17:07:50
owenferguson RT @chat2lrn: We are at an end, but dont fret. Let’s continue the   conversation online: http://t.co/1XRkwpwm     #chat2lrn 17:07:57
2Elearning Will add #chat2lrn to our calendar. Great insight and discussion here! 17:08:07
pattishank RT @niallgavinuk: #chat2lrn Another goodie – thanks everyone.  Still mulling…>;Lots to think about.   Esp out role. #chat2lrn 17:08:37
megbertapelle Thanks all for a great chat – def. will be reading transcript on this   one, I feel like I may have missed some gems! 🙂 #chat2lrn 17:08:38
olliegardener RT @owenferguson: RT @chat2lrn: We are at an end, but dont fret. Let’s   continue the conversation online: http://t.co/BIZtg6d8   #chat2lrn 17:08:39
pattishank RT @2Elearning: Will add #chat2lrn to our calendar. Great insight and   discussion here!>;THX!!! #chat2lrn 17:08:53
AndrewJacobsLD #chat2lrn Srsly good chat, thanks to the new followers 17:09:18
megbertapelle RT @chat2lrn: We are at an end, but dont fret. Let’s continue the   conversation online: http://t.co/UzuRU42f     #chat2lrn 17:09:44
niallgavinuk #chat2lrn Thanks for RTs and side chats this afternoon; @jenisecook   @megbertapelle @JudithELS @Dave_Ferguson @MikeCollins007 … #1 17:11:35
niallgavinuk #chat2lrn Thanks for RTs and side chats this afternoon;@lesleywprice   @sparkandco @AndrewJacobsLD @olliegardener @pattishank #2 17:12:47
megbertapelle @AndrewJacobsLD @owenferguson @niallgavinuk it was a good one, huh? 🙂   thx for side-convos! 🙂 #chat2lrn 17:13:08
chet_stevenson Great chat everyone! #chat2lrn 17:13:12
chat2lrn Thanks for joining #chat2lrn today! A transcript will be posted on the   blog at http://t.co/SxIyykqb on Saturday 2/4 17:13:58
jenisecook @niallgavinuk And, thank you for your great insights! #chat2lrn 17:16:02
gerfigueroa RT @MarniDunning: Q3) Train, encourage, support, guide, and listen   #chat2lrn 17:17:03
KathChapman A fun and fast hour. Looking forward to the next one. Thanks all.   #chat2lrn 17:20:41
chat2lrn Should u blog on this topic or in response 2 #chat2lrn – we want 2   know http://t.co/KV4aL9My 17:20:47
sparkandco RT @niallgavinuk: #chat2lrn Thanks for RTs and side chats this   afternoon;@lesleywprice @AndrewJacobsLD @olliegardener @pattishank >ditto 17:23:11
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